It’s genuinely hilarious that Farage has such a bad name yet every time he appears on a politics discussion he wipes the floor with the opposition and puts the interviewers in their place. He’s the only one who won’t be bullied and spoken over the top of. Maybe the others should take note and grow a pair of bollocks instead of appearing on national TV to try and win our vote then fumbling or dodging every question they’re asked.
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It’s genuinely hilarious that Farage has such a bad name yet every time he appears on a politics discussion he wipes the floor with the opposition and puts the interviewers in their place. He’s the only one who won’t be bullied and spoken over the top of. Maybe the others should take note and grow a pair of bollocks instead of appearing on national TV to try and win our vote then fumbling or dodging every question they’re asked.
Yes I remember one of his first interviews
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But, to be serious, I have absolutely no idea how he'll fulfill all these promises ...
... how will he deal with the small boats for example?
If I get the job as Director of Football at Sunderland I'll bring in Jürgen Klopp as manager and sign Harry Kane.
It's easy to make unrealistic promises when you're never going to have the responsibility to act on them.
Is not that what labour have done for the last decade? Guess we’re going to find out!
On the contrary, I'd say Labour are saying **** all about anything. It's rather frustrating actually. They're the only realistic party for the next government, but we have no real idea what they stand for anymore.
I’ve always got the impression they wait to see what doesn’t work then say how they’d fix it rather than having a stance from the off. Tory/Labour doesn’t matter to me they’re both the same, both full of **** and false promises.
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No doubt the tax they save can help pay the health insurance needed after his NHS reforms, "He suggested changing the funding model, which led to accusations that he wanted to privatize the NHS.Notably, in 2014, Farage was caught on camera advocating for an insurance-based system run by private companies as an alternative to the state-funded NHS"
The NHS has got to evolve or it's going to die. We need to be looking at the European systems where there's an element of personal contribution.
It would be difficult to grumble about an NHS specific tax, we're all going to need it sooner or later. Money has to stop disappearing into thin air with no discernible effect at the same time though.
I think we do need to have some interesting conversations about the NHS that move away from the framing "Privatisation Vs Increase Funding" and onto something new, I'm against privatisation in a general sense but also against continuing to increase the funding (already increased from 7% to 11%), and obviously leaving things how they are is going to result in disaster. We need a new strategy.
The NHS is a ****show mind and I’m not sure it’s just a funding issue. Makes me laugh that the previous government were the ones who overseen the signs of mass immigration in numbers that were becoming dangerous yet they’re the ones saying it’s the current government who’ve crippled the NHS. No idea what will happen with it but it needs some serious change.
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Agree with both but the worry with his admiration of Trump and America his solution wwould likely be the American model rather than something like the French model. Also need to remove the profit motive which seems to govern most of our privatised services including the current NHS external service providers.
We need a holistic approach to the wellbeing of the entire country in reality, but I doubt it's an easy thing to implement.
The obesity epidemic is going to cripple the NHS for the next generation anyway, but no system will be able to cope well. We need to find a way to improve health, not just treat ill health.
The rise in mental health issues are related to a combination of lifestyle and societal issues.
The decline of "community" is causing a rise in anti social behaviour, criminal activity and drug use all of which stretch our public sector.
The cost of living is causing greater poverty and homelessness.
The consumerist attitude of the nation is leading to people amassing huge debts just to have the thing that they don't even need.
The increasingly capitalist view of our public sector is causing crises in Energy/Water/Travel just for starters.
We have our priorities all wrong.
But If anyone dares to advocate anything for the common good of the people in this country, the media throw "Marxists", "communism" and "champagne socialists" at them in order to deflect. These people have the money to sidestep the issues that this country faces and are happy with the power structure because they're higher up.
Things are out of hand, we need to take a step back and decide what can be done for the benefit and wellbeing of 70m people. But there's not a single policy that could achieve that, it needs a whole mindset shift. It needs people to think of others and not just themselves for the greater good.
I agree with most of that, I would argue the current climate has resulted in soft, tolerant people and soft, tolerant people get fat and depressed and end up with mental health disorders. The way we live lacks meaning, our identity is trodden on and we exalt weakness instead of strength. I imagine you disagree, but something bigger and bolder is required and Labour/Tories will never offer us that, neither will the school marms in the Lib Dems/Greens.
I don't really disagree with any of that, though "soft and tolerance" aren't the words I would use, though I understand what you mean by them.
I also agree we need something bolder, but it's simply not on the table. Whilst I don't think any party can deliver what I want, I think Labour, Greens and Lib Dems would have more policies for the benefit of the wider public. Of those 3, only Labour can get elected, so that's where I am.
What do you mean by school marms? Not having a go just genuinely don’t understand the term.
I’ll be voting Green. Having reviewed the manifesto their policies align with my priorities. Supporting low income families and addressing the wealth disparity, investing in the NHS, addressing climate change, abolishing FPTP & return to the EU,
I could never vote Tory. I have voted Labour and Lib Dems in the past. I still haven’t forgiven Lib Dems for how weak they were in the coalition and Labour don’t stand for anything other than being the largest, traditional alternative option.
If you don't mind me saying that's an absolute load of common sense from start to finish and the best post I've seen.
Sadly, for my grandchildren, things are only going to get worse.
We've lost the ability to be kind to each other and whereas everyone knows their rights, fewer and fewer know their responsibilities.
I'm glad I'm 68 and won't be around to see how bad things get ...
... the human race make no progress at all, despite how clever we think we are.
We believe we're 'forging ahead' by inventing pills that stop people being fat and teaching our children that 'being discovered' is better than working.
I just pray the next government can be less hopeless than the last.
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