General Election 2019

[superhorns]

It isn't the point of making predictions about tomorrow SH. The question is- do you feel happy about getting a majority in parliament knowing that the majority of the country is against it ? If so then you have very little understanding of what democracy should be about. Are you happy about supporting a party which propagates fake news, bribes opponents to withdraw their candidature, and which suppresses publication of reports until after elections ? Do you feel happy about the rest of the World seeing that the British could be about to give a majority to a known lier and cheat ? Do you care nothing for Britain's image ?

I will be ecstatic if the Tories gain a decent majority tomorrow. I am happy with the tried and tested FPTP. This is democracy as defined by the UK parliament which is enough for me. I fully expect Johnson to be a competent and well liked PM. Ignore the pigmy politicians from the EU who would do and say anything just to try to scupper Brexit.

 

[duggie2000]

You speak a great deal of sense duggie. In my case I still pay taxes in the UK, and there is an old saying that you shouldn't pay tax if you have no say in how it is spent. I also have family in the UK that I listen to, and know the fears that they express about the future under this current cabal.

Fair enough Frenchie
But I hope you can appreciate the rest of my post
The Lib Dems new leader has possibly destroyed their chance of being a force in parliament, much to the dismay of a lots of of people I know because our only chance of a future is a left of centre Government that will protect the people and the economy, sadly neither Labour or Conservatives can or would provide this

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Fair enough Frenchie
But I hope you can appreciate the rest of my post
The Lib Dems new leader has possibly destroyed their chance of being a force in parliament, much to the dismay of a lots of of people I know because our only chance of a future is a left of centre Government that will protect the people and the economy, sadly neither Labour or Conservatives can or would provide this

I agree with you 100%. I think it fair to say that all of my posts are made from a position of wanting to protect those who for whatever reason are not as fortunate as others. I do not like extremism of either left or right. I prefer government for the whole nation, not one that is driven by a narrow ideology.

 

[superhorns]

I agree with you 100%. I think it fair to say that all of my posts are made from a position of wanting to protect those who for whatever reason are not as fortunate as others. I do not like extremism of either left or right. I prefer government for the whole nation, not one that is driven by a narrow ideology.

Thankfully Boris's one nation new government will fill your brief.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Thankfully Boris's one nation new government will fill your brief.

I am afraid not SH. He is a far from my political stance as possible. There are some theories around that he has been taken hostage by the right wing extremists that he will dump if he gets his majority. If he doesn't then he will not be leading a government that is for all. I cannot approve of a PM who is demeaning the country in the eyes of the world, or one who dumps those like the DUP whatever you might think about them. The Tories were glad enough to have the support of the LibDems when they didn't have a majority but dumped them as well when they had served their purpose. This is self serving politics, and I see nothing that suggests they are about to change.

 

[colognehornet]

I was talking about you saying in one post that Labour is finished and in another that they will always be one of the two biggest party
Reading the posts on here without taking part is like eavesdropping on a bunch of 6 year olds arguing whose dad is biggest and strongest
I am not sure why posters on here who have chosen to leave their beloved home country to live somewhere else should comment on our Elections
The Torys have always looked after the rich and the poor is an unfortunate problem they hope will go away by itself, but they do ensure the economy is strong
Labour always promises to cure everyones ills but never ever succeeds and still manages to destroy the economy which results in the Torys having to come back in to repair the damage
To my dismay the Libs Dems have elected a shrieking banshie as their leader and I have voted for them in every election since I was 18
My fears are that if the Torys get in again Boris will be a buffoon figurehead to amuse the public while the real dirty work is carried out behind the scenes
If Labour get elected then Corbyn will be a glove puppet with McDonnells hand up his backside or he will be shifted to the Peers while McDonnell and the union leaders will return us the the unlimited strikes of the 70's to destroy what is left of our Industries and bankrupt our country for the third time since the end of WW2
Not much of a choice then, but I do believe my Pension income would be safer under the Torys than Labour
I will and always will vote Lib Dem in the slight hope they can get enough votes to stop Labour and the Torys from carrying their election "promises/threats"
Here endith the first lesson
Mock all you want, deep down you all know I am speaking the truth

I'm only going to comment on one part of this Duggie - the implication is that Frenchie and myself have no right to comment on British elections. Frenchie has answered this by saying that he pays some taxes in the UK and so has a right to representation. I do not feel obliged to answer in any way because you do not know my reasons for moving to Germany, nor is it any of your business. I can only say that every British passport holder is affected by Britain's standing in the World, and also by the value of any pensions which they may receive from there - and also the ease with which they can claim it. You have absolutely no idea what connections any of us living abroad may still have to the UK, or what interests we may still have there - all of my blood family is still there and so I have every right to comment on this - ok ?

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

So yet again another IT malfunction will prevent people from voting as they will find out when they get to the polling station that they are not on the lists. Can we please stop looking like a third world nation. It is embarrassing!

 

[duggie2000]

I'm only going to comment on one part of this Duggie - the implication is that Frenchie and myself have no right to comment on British elections. Frenchie has answered this by saying that he pays some taxes in the UK and so has a right to representation. I do not feel obliged to answer in any way because you do not know my reasons for moving to Germany, nor is it any of your business. I can only say that every British passport holder is affected by Britain's standing in the World, and also by the value of any pensions which they may receive from there - and also the ease with which they can claim it. You have absolutely no idea what connections any of us living abroad may still have to the UK, or what interests we may still have there - all of my blood family is still there and so I have every right to comment on this - ok ?

I did wonder if you would bite
The main point was that this thread has descended to the depths of the previous ones with posters arguing more like schoolboys than adults, I know SH only sets out to wind you up but you dont have to bite his arm off
I guess this is more to do with current societies than individual view, just feels sad that we agree on most things but fall out on these threads

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

I did wonder if you would bite
The main point was that this thread has descended to the depths of the previous ones with posters arguing more like schoolboys than adults, I know SH only sets out to wind you up but you dont have to bite his arm off
I guess this is more to do with current societies than individual view, just feels sad that we agree on most things but fall out on these threads

Society from where I stand is being broken down into components and is now a mix of the haves and have nots. We have 45% of those thinking that Brexit will make things better and 55% who disagree. We would not be in another election without the disaster of that referendum, and this thread would not have existed.

 

[duggie2000]

Very true Frenchie
Maybe it is time for a true Coalition Government
Only problem would be it could take 5 years of internal squabbling to agree who has what post in the cabinet

 

[colognehornet]

I did wonder if you would bite
The main point was that this thread has descended to the depths of the previous ones with posters arguing more like schoolboys than adults, I know SH only sets out to wind you up but you dont have to bite his arm off
I guess this is more to do with current societies than individual view, just feels sad that we agree on most things but fall out on these threads

I did obviously bite because the implication was there that I had no right to be writing on here.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Very true Frenchie
Maybe it is time for a true Coalition Government
Only problem would be it could take 5 years of internal squabbling to agree who has what post in the cabinet

As one of my interests is in the history of politics in the UK I have read about the period just after the Wall Street crash when we did have a coalition government. It was very successful, and on the back of that a number of politicians stood as unity candidates in future elections. Despite the success people seemed to have a problem with having people stand for election from outside an official party, and none of the unity candidates were elected.

 

[superhorns]

Society from where I stand is being broken down into components and is now a mix of the haves and have nots. We have 45% of those thinking that Brexit will make things better and 55% who disagree. We would not be in another election without the disaster of that referendum, and this thread would not have existed.

The referendum was long promised and met a building demand by the British people against the slippery slide towards a federal Europe. No population in Europe actually wants this, it is just a self serving plan designed and executed by the elite in Brussels.

The result justified the very existence of the referendum and must be respected to preserve our democratic process. Thankfully Boris is more than capable of seeing it through if the public correctly vote for certainty and vote Conservative tomorrow.

 

[duggie2000]

I did obviously bite because the implication was there that I had no right to be writing on here.

I did not say you had no right to write
I just wondered why someone would chose to leave their country and get so wound up about views on a thread like this, I do know you left because of you wife being German
Maybe I would be the same in your position, but the main point was the descent into chaos that this thread has followed in the footsteps of former threads
No offence intended to you or Frenchie

 

[superhorns]

As one of my interests is in the history of politics in the UK I have read about the period just after the Wall Street crash when we did have a coalition government. It was very successful, and on the back of that a number of politicians stood as unity candidates in future elections. Despite the success people seemed to have a problem with having people stand for election from outside an official party, and none of the unity candidates were elected.

That is why FPTP and the two main options have endured for so long. Especially at this election there is a real choice between the two. The LibDems are just seen as a protest vote opportunity at mid term elections, not to let the wishy washy MPs have any real power.

 

[duggie2000]

As one of my interests is in the history of politics in the UK I have read about the period just after the Wall Street crash when we did have a coalition government. It was very successful, and on the back of that a number of politicians stood as unity candidates in future elections. Despite the success people seemed to have a problem with having people stand for election from outside an official party, and none of the unity candidates were elected.

That was a time when Politicians were people who believed in governing the country not lining their pockets and leaders were Statesmen/women respected by other world leaders
Sadly I could not see the current front benchers of both the main parties agreeing whether it was raining outside or not
I remember my mother who was 100% Labour saying the last Statesman we had was Harold McMillan not Harold Wilson

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

That is why FPTP and the two main options have endured for so long. Especially at this election there is a real choice between the two. The LibDems are just seen as a protest vote opportunity at mid term elections, not to let the wishy washy MPs have any real power.

What you are failing to take into account is that the national government was very successful. While other countries struggled it saw the UK through a very difficult period. As usual the Tories were the most difficult to get on board, with some of the right wingers refusing to join in and some members supported by the TUC also. In the 1931 election we saw a majority for the National government of 500, the largest ever. It was not until after WWII that the national government broke up with the Tories wanting more cabinet posts, and they promptly lost the election.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

The referendum was long promised and met a building demand by the British people against the slippery slide towards a federal Europe. No population in Europe actually wants this, it is just a self serving plan designed and executed by the elite in Brussels.

The result justified the very existence of the referendum and must be respected to preserve our democratic process. Thankfully Boris is more than capable of seeing it through if the public correctly vote for certainty and vote Conservative tomorrow.

This is so old hat, you could be talking about 1931 as I have just been doing. The EU was not even in the top ten of people's concerns until Farage popped up with his racist nonsense. Cameron panicked and thought he had an easy way out. Ever since then the whole debate has been conducted with racist undertones, and we have seen a dreadful explosion of hate crime and abuse from the thickies ever since.

 

[superhorns]

This is so old hat, you could be talking about 1931 as I have just been doing. The EU was not even in the top ten of people's concerns until Farage popped up with his racist nonsense. Cameron panicked and thought he had an easy way out. Ever since then the whole debate has been conducted with racist undertones, and we have seen a dreadful explosion of hate crime and abuse from the thickies ever since.

Nonsense, you cannot re-write recent history because you simply disagree with the result. The effects of uncontrolled immigration by the Blair / Brown governments was a real factor in people's hardening attitude against the ever changing EU. Even the LibDems at the time demanded a referendum to decide membership.

I will again repeat, refusing Cameron's mild requests to temporarily tweak the system led to the 'leave' decision. It highlighted the eurocrat's domination and total centrist control pitched against a member state's legitimate concerns. This battle of interests between the EU and member states has become the norm, there is a growing dissatisfaction against Brussel's dictates.
The arrogance the remainers have shown, and are still showing, towards those that voted leave has led to the present situation. Hopefully today is the day leavers will reinforce their 2016 decision and silence the democracy deniers for good.

 

[andytoprankin]

The referendum was long promised and met a building demand by the British people against the slippery slide towards a federal Europe. No population in Europe actually wants this, it is just a self serving plan designed and executed by the elite in Brussels.

The result justified the very existence of the referendum and must be respected to preserve our democratic process. Thankfully Boris is more than capable of seeing it through if the public correctly vote for certainty and vote Conservative tomorrow.

Is the Superannuated Hick worried about rule by the elite? Progress.