How many times can you use that old chestnut, this coming from the man who pressed the report button 20 times in a fortnight to get the mods attention and they told you to f uck off because you were embarrassing,just because people disagree with you, what a tit.
I struggle to understand how the responsibility for paying a privately owned company's staff doesn't fall on the billionaire who privately owns the company.
If the lad who lived next door to you had two businesses across the road and ones making a million a year profit and his other one is loosing a hundred thousand a year how would you feel if he came and asked you you to pay his staff in the one loosing money?
Agreed - but everyone is getting 100% of their salary. If people weren’t I’d think it was a bad thing. But they are, so he’s looking after them. He’s just ensuring the club are on as sound a footing as possible rather than artificially propping us up. Which will lead to ****ing disaster.
Yeah it feels a bit like that. As I said at the start if the thread, it's not a criticism of KLD, more how society is geared. Personally? I'd not bother claiming the pittance on the furlough scheme. I'd make sure I covered wages/running costs and make sure word gets out that I'm reliable. That's PR an owner of a football club with fans like ours could do with. But that's probably why his family are worth billions of pounds and mine are worth dozens of dollars.
we don’t want our owner spending money the club don’t have. Any help we can get to break even will make us sustainable. I have no problem with it. If it’s there, take it. Whether it should be there or not is another question
Yeah I just think tax payers' money is better used building infrastructure, investing in manufacturing, researching sustainable energy and the like rather than protecting billionaire's bank accounts. There's a lot of money in the world. If we used it with a mind for the long term things would look different.
I don’t disagree but the government are offering this to football clubs to help them be sustainable. Sustainability isn’t billionaires spending money for clubs that those clubs don’t have. Quite the opposite.
But the club is spending money they don't have. That's it. The question is should they be spending their owners' billions or the government/taxpayers. Easy question in my mind with a simple answer.
Other way of looking at this is that it’s just a £50k per month grant / rebate from the government for loss of earnings. Forget the vehicle it comes in. All employees jobs are safe and they’re paid the exact same amount with the exact same benefits. The club is just able to claim some money back that all other clubs are able to.
Yeah I really don't see how spending the government's money is more sustainable than spending the owner's. Clearly we are of different minds about it. And that's quite alright.
I do agree with you. Just think we are drawing the lines differently as to where the moral duty lies. I’m more in the “take what’s offered” camp (even if it shouldn’t be offered).
The pragmatist in me can completely understand why anyone would do so. But the idealist in me is getting angry as it boils his fecking piss that they do so.
The lines of course are also blurred by the “ownership group” bullshit. If the ownership group are looking at the options and Methven and Donald see a chance to reduce their financial commitment, they’d sell their grans to do it. This may have been a fight KLD didn’t want to fight. Pick your battles etc.
Is that the same idiots that introduced it to save an awful lot of businesses that would/could easily have gone bust 'cos of this dreadful, and unprecedented, pandemic . . . . and have done so successfully ?
People like me aren't going to get near people like that without a headline in the news that ends "...and then he turned the gun on himself."
Can also see why the government are offering this. The economy and country make a **** tonne of money from foreign owners spending so much money in English football. This furlough scheme is a relatively small gesture versus the benefit of keeping rich owners in this country. Whether those billionaires then tax dodge themselves is a shame, but the benefits to the taxpayer of them in this country is huge.
