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Indeed. The mods have turned a blind eye to Bri implying that certain posters on here are racists. Now they have to accept that sooner or later people will respond in kind. It should have been knocked on the head but it wasn’t. Now it’s going to play out naturally and on my terms, in my own time.

I’d advise our mods not to get involved with my responses after not getting involved with the allegations thrown at me recently.

Bri is very careful to keep his relentless insults just this side of 'the law' ...

... ironically that's very similar to how stalkers and other perverts operate.

They brazenly push the boundaries to the limit which is how they get their kicks.

Very sad people but I suppose they can't help themselves.

I'd imagine Bri is on hundreds of forums so the odd ban wouldn't be a problem.

He knows he can taunt people on here because most of us are true supporters, who love the club, and for whom a ban would actually hurt us.
 
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Bri is very careful to keep his relentless insults just this side of 'the law' ...

... ironically that's very similar to how stalkers and other perverts operate.

They brazenly push the boundaries to the limit which is how they get their kicks.

Very sad people but I suppose they can't help themselves.

I'd imagine Bri is on hundreds of forums so the odd ban wouldn't be a problem.

He knows he can taunt people on here because most of us are true supporters, who love the club, and for whom a ban would actually hurt us.
Excuse my ignorance, but is bri Desfartes from rtg?
 
Nice update/clarification from Smug, appreciated mate, thanks :emoticon-0148-yes:

The financial aspects are interesting and endlessly variable. As we've seen the same set of figures can be construed in entirely different ways. It's called creative accounting and it's fascinating to see it in action. But it can remove a situation from reality and obliterate common sense.

The basic question is this ...

... would American based businessmen really have any interest in being on the fringes of a football club in the far NE of England as some kind of minor shareholder or itinerant lender?

People like these want at least one of profit/excitement/kudos and preferably all three ...

... none of which are available as bit part players.

IMO they want the club, the whole club and nothing but the club ...

... but only on their terms.
 
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The financial aspects are interesting and endlessly variable. As we've seen the same set of figures can be construed is entirely different ways. It's called creative accounting and it's fascinating to see it in action. But it can remove a situation from reality and obliterate common sense.

The basic question is this ...

... would American based businessmen really have any interest in being on the fringes of a football club in the far NE of England as some kind of minor shareholder or itinerant lender?

People like these want one of profit/excitement/kudos and preferably all three ...

... none of which are available as bit part players.

IMO they want the club, the whole club and nothing but the club ...

... but only on their terms.

This makes perfect sense to me.
 
Bri is very careful to keep his relentless insults just this side of 'the law' ...

... ironically that's very similar to how stalkers and other perverts operate.

They brazenly push the boundaries to the limit which is how they get their kicks.

Very sad people but I suppose they can't help themselves.

I'd imagine Bri is on hundreds of forums so the odd ban wouldn't be a problem.

He knows he can taunt people on here because most of us are true supporters, who love the club, and for whom a ban would actually hurt us.
Exactly this.

We both know my reply to him was below the belt. He’s pushed and pushed for weeks now and this time he tagged me in a status and put more meat on the bones of his wording to the point I knew he couldn’t backtrack or deny what he meant.

I took that as open season and fired off some shots of my own. I’ve always been adamant that when two people clash it’s not for anybody but them to decide what level of response is appropriate and, what isn’t.

I’ve no issue nobody getting involved these last few weeks at him prodding me with his racist jibes. I prefer it that way, it has nothing to do with anybody else. I resent it when my reply is noted and commented on and his provocation is ignored.

He must be one seriously unhappy bloke to spend his days on here getting kicks out of making people bite. Can anybody confirm he is a Sunderland supporter? I’ve got my suspicions he’s a mag on a wind up. He’s literally got nothing positive to ever say about our club.
 
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Exactly this.

We both know my reply to him was below the belt. He’s pushed and pushed for weeks now and this time he tagged me in a status and put more meat on the bones of his wording to the point I knew he couldn’t backtrack or deny what he meant.

I took that as open season and fired off some shots of my own. I’ve always been adamant that when two people clash it’s not for anybody but them to decide what level of response is appropriate and, what isn’t.

I’ve no issue nobody getting involved these last few weeks at him prodding me with his racist jibes. I prefer it that way, it has nothing to do with anybody else. I resent it when my reply is noted and commented on and his provocation is ignored.

He must be one seriously unhappy bloke to spend his days on here getting kicks out of making people bite. Can anybody confirm he is a Sunderland supporter? I’ve got my suspicions he’s a mag on a wind up. He’s literally got nothing positive to ever say about our club.
He also likes chicken nuggets!
 
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Okey dokey, this might help to get the thread back on track.

I've just sent this to someone who'd sent me a PM on RTG basically calling me a liar.

Some of this may not apply here but it's too long to edit.

"FPP negotiated a deal, with Donald, that was agreed by both parties, a done deal. Fuhrman said as much to a friend, Ben Brown, who showed me the messages between them. They're the only messages I've seen from any of FPP and it was just a huge coincidence that I met Ben Brown at the time the deal had been agreed. The outstanding message from Fuhrman was that he'd 'just bought Sunderland'.


When I posted this information I received confirmation by PM, on RTG, from someone who gave me details only a person involved could know. Since that time they've sent other information that has proved to be 100% correct. I've also received various messages from someone at a Sunderland supporters group, a friend of Methven who I met up with at matches including Lincoln away, and two posters on here who been hit and miss but generally correct. Methven going, McGeady being peddled, Ross sacked, etc were posted, on their word, well before the media reported it.


There were some things I repeated that were way off but nothing worse than the kind of things the Echo, BBC, fanzines, etc were guilty of. In fairness Donald has told so many people so many things that it's difficult to sift the truth from all the lies.


Part of what I was shown was a collection of feasibility study titles which I assumed we're commissioned by FPP but never actually confirmed as such, who else could it be though tbh. These included an appraisal of the potential at the AOL which coincided with an FPP visit. Other studies were on the SOL, the area around the ground, the club image including the badge, Sheepfolds, etc all of which seemed quite reasonable for someone looking to buy and develop a club. After all, these weren't plans, just studies. Some people have made far too much of them which isn't my problem but, of course, I'd love it all to happen, I'm a Sunderland supporter!


After all of this Donald then believed FPP were so enamoured with the project, which involved him running the show, that he could now chance his arm and ask for two bonuses. I'm not sure if I'm yet allowed to post them so let's say a big bonus for promotion and another, double the first, for reaching the PL.


At which point the whole thing soured and FPP said the original agreed deal was the only one they'd accept. The suggestion is that the deal now didn't include a salaried contracted position for Donald meaning he'd only break even or perhaps lose money. So his only two options are to accept FPP's initial offer or find a buyer who'll offer more.


FPP are still there, haven't altered their position in months and are currently the biggest investors. If someone makes a better offer they'll have a decision to make, but as things stand they'll eventually own the club even if they don't particularly want it.


They'll become owners by default."

No idea what to think of that.

Obviously it's very exciting that prospective owners have had studies done on so much of the club. It suggests they have real ambition.

It's also very frustrating that Donald put barriers up to the deal, in a very poor way. Suddenly asking for more money is not a very good business move.

Having said that, I wouldn't be too fussed if this all stays on hold until the end of the season now. Things are going steadily and I wouldn't like this season to be derailed yet again by takeover talk.
 
Exactly this.

We both know my reply to him was below the belt. He’s pushed and pushed for weeks now and this time he tagged me in a status and put more meat on the bones of his wording to the point I knew he couldn’t backtrack or deny what he meant.

I took that as open season and fired off some shots of my own. I’ve always been adamant that when two people clash it’s not for anybody but them to decide what level of response is appropriate and, what isn’t.

I’ve no issue nobody getting involved these last few weeks at him prodding me with his racist jibes. I prefer it that way, it has nothing to do with anybody else. I resent it when my reply is noted and commented on and his provocation is ignored.

He must be one seriously unhappy bloke to spend his days on here getting kicks out of making people bite. Can anybody confirm he is a Sunderland supporter? I’ve got my suspicions he’s a mag on a wind up. He’s literally got nothing positive to ever say about our club.

As part of my security work I spent time with some very clever internet trackers who'd locate people who owed money, had cars I needed to repo, etc.

They'd track them through mobile numbers, social security numbers, insurance companies, banks, hospitals,etc.

A lot of it was no doubt illegal but that wasn't my problem.

One of the ways they'd try to find people was by searching forums for key words and multiple uses of the same phrases. I expect we all repeat ourselves over time and 'identify' ourselves.

Anyway, the point of all this is that some of these people would be posting on multiple forums which is sad enough. But they'd be wildly different and they'd have a 'persona' for each one. The lengths to which they'd go to create a 'character' and remember that character's traits was freaky. But the way they'd hold entirely different opinions, on different forums, was beyond belief.

One of these lunatics was arguing that a Spanish kidnap gang had taken the McCann girl on one forum ...

... and accusing the parents on another!!!
 
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The financial aspects are interesting and endlessly variable. As we've seen the same set of figures can be construed in entirely different ways. It's called creative accounting and it's fascinating to see it in action. But it can remove a situation from reality and obliterate common sense.

The basic question is this ...

... would American based businessmen really have any interest in being on the fringes of a football club in the far NE of England as some kind of minor shareholder or itinerant lender?

People like these want at least one of profit/excitement/kudos and preferably all three ...

... none of which are available as bit part players.

IMO they want the club, the whole club and nothing but the club ...

... but only on their terms.

Certainly appears that way.
Unless Donald stumbles upon some poor sod prepared to pay close to his asking price it all points to it being if not when they take over imho.
 
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This is the only forum I am on.
Don5 go on FB, twitter etc.
Dont go on other forums.
So the amateur psychologists are wrong again.
The righteous indignation spouted by SS just goes to show what an utter hypocrite he is and clearly indicates he can dish it out but is like a spoilt brat when he cops it.
Kitchen, heat etc
 
This is the only forum I am on.
Don5 go on FB, twitter etc.
Dont go on other forums.
So the amateur psychologists are wrong again.
The righteous indignation spouted by SS just goes to show what an utter hypocrite he is and clearly indicates he can dish it out but is like a spoilt brat when he cops it.
Kitchen, heat etc

You're a fraud, simple as that.
 
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This is the only forum I am on.
Don5 go on FB, twitter etc.
Dont go on other forums.
So the amateur psychologists are wrong again.
The righteous indignation spouted by SS just goes to show what an utter hypocrite he is and clearly indicates he can dish it out but is like a spoilt brat when he cops it.
Kitchen, heat etc

Who'd have thought that calling people racist would provoke a reaction.

You would because that's all you use this forum for, if you know it's not going to piss someone off you don't bother posting it. Very sad.
 
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