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Yet if you get a test and trace call, apparently you can go straight back to work after a negative test. Likewise a school will accept a negative result to allow someone back in.
Sounds like your best bet is to come back to the UK, go straight to pub and then report the pub. That way you can go straight back to work.
How much was it going to cost to allow 1000 people into the KC? Who picks up the bill?
If, a covid case was traced back to the stadium, what are the clean up protocols? Again who pays for that operation?
The club, ultimately the Allams?
If, if the council were being vindictive, they could have said, yes, and hit them in their pocket. I doubt that was ever a consideration.
The testing system, at the business end is overwhelmed as it is, both locally and nationally. Why add the possibility of 1000 more tests to that overload? The number of cases here in Hull as has been pointed out, are among the lowest in the country. In an effort to maintain that low figure, perhaps the council took the option of controlling the meeting of people when and where they can.
Or, maybe they don't want the same headline news as provided by the Welsh government, claiming a bus load of Doncaster racegoers had brought covid back to the valleys. Three days later it transpired they had set off with the intention of going to the meeting, but never got there.
If, a covid case was traced back to the stadium, what are the clean up protocols? Again who pays for that operation?
The club, ultimately the Allams?
If, if the council were being vindictive, they could have said, yes, and hit them in their pocket. I doubt that was ever a consideration.
The testing system, at the business end is overwhelmed as it is, both locally and nationally. Why add the possibility of 1000 more tests to that overload? The number of cases here in Hull as has been pointed out, are among the lowest in the country. In an effort to maintain that low figure, perhaps the council took the option of controlling the meeting of people when and where they can.
Or, maybe they don't want the same headline news as provided by the Welsh government, claiming a bus load of Doncaster racegoers had brought covid back to the valleys. Three days later it transpired they had set off with the intention of going to the meeting, but never got there.
I'm missing no points at all. There has been, what appears to be vindictiveness on all sides, from club and council. Bad decisions, wrong decisions and at times some good ones too.
Isn't it about time the bar was raised a bit and the personalities were taken out of the arguments ?
HCC should not be making decisions based on personalities but on what is good for the city and its people.
Same goes for the Allams.
And the fans.
Understand all that but why is the market going ahead tomorrow with no restrictions on numbers, no check on who is there and people coming into the area from all over the country with no track and trace in operation ? Where is the concern there from HCC ?
Concern gets easily ignored when your making money
Not the case with holidaying though. Regardless of test and trace you still need to isolate for minimum of 14 days before returning to work.Yet if you get a test and trace call, apparently you can go straight back to work after a negative test. Likewise a school will accept a negative result to allow someone back in.
Sounds like your best bet is to come back to the UK, go straight to pub and then report the pub. That way you can go straight back to work.
Some people might wonder whether adding so many countries which don’t on the face of it look worse than the UK is to discourage foreign holidays to keep the local economy healthier by keeping spend in the UK? And actually there would be some logic to that I suppose.
It is very wise to make sure you have enough booze in before you go holiday to make sure your 14 days after feel like you’re spending it in a pub though!
I’m not justifying it as I think there’s some odd differences in rules, but I think in this case the fact that the guidance on car boot sales etc is issued by the Govt centrally, whereas the decision on safety at sports grounds is a local one (and not just the Council of course, and not just considering infection rates either) is the biggest factor here.
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So what about the big picture Asterix? If this is the reaction based on maintaining that low figure then why haven't the Council jumped the gun and imposed further restrictions on meeting in households etc,curfews on pub hours etc?
Ultimately,if they're putting barriers up to pilot schemes then when are fans going to be able to attend the K.C at all? So long term and looking at the big picture,The Club could now face an 'avalanche' of cancelled memberships due to fans realising that they're aspirations of a return are some way off?
Because people are allowed to go shopping. Open markets are allowed to operate. Controlling numbers where and when they can? The track and trace system has to be funded. Again, why add another possible 1000 to what surely must be another overloaded system?
Right from the beginning of this I had hoped our end of the line isolation would keep this thing in check. Seemingly it is now beginning to work. Which as you say, it does seem strange to allow outsiders to come to the market. As much as we bounce this off one another on here, surely similar discussions were held in council meetings for them to come to the decision to scrap the City game.
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It’s because they can’t, only the Govt can.
Councils can only put restrictions on individual premises if they have an outbreak (and even then there’s a huge list of places they’re not allowed to restrict anyway)
I don’t think it really is.
The infection rate barrier is one prescribed by the Association of Directors of Public Health and we don’t know what plans the club did or didn’t have for the safety group to consider.
Based on past communication it being limited or wrong wouldn’t be a surprise
My employer is saying that anyone returning from holiday who has to self isolate must. Anyone returning from holiday who doesn’t have to self isolate has to stay away from work unpaid until they have tested negative.
Then I’d get your union on it
They’re right about the first bit but no one needs a test if they’ve holidayed somewhere that doesn’t need isolation (unless they have symptoms of course)
Making people take unpaid leave until they show a negative test after coming back form somewhere that the government have said they can travel and isn't on their list.... Is that even legal?
The avalanche probably started with the dire run and relegation. I would suggest any further cancellations will be from those who have been deemed to be high risk, who have self isolated, and don't particularly want to be risking exposure to covid.
Yes, all the other restrictions you mention could have been implemented. It may yet happen if the local numbers spike. A month ago the local cases numbered 1601. As of today that number is 1681. Less than three new cases a day reported, or an average of those numbers. Yes, it doesn't make sense, Walton St goes ahead a day after attendance was not allowed at the KC. But surely, what seems to be an arbitrary decision must have had some reasoning behind it? Only, we will never know what that was.
I’ll be honest, and accept I could be wrong, but I think City not being involved is likely to actually reduce the time before we can all go back in again.
These trials will be assessed so the Govt can make a decision across the board as to when fans can go back (in the same way they have for shopping centres, pubs etc)
So when we go back properly will depend on how successful the trials go (I assume they’ll make sure they can monitor any spread among attending fans)
My experience with how our club manage most things, and the fact that if they’d seated fans based on their ‘social bubble’ requests they would have had people from different households sat together more likely to spread infections wider, doesn’t give me any confidence they’d have managed the trial well at all.
So based on that I think us not being involved is a bonus for a fans everywhere who will be hoping the trails will be successful.
I hope the other ones do go well and Govt can approve suitable guidance for all clubs to stick by to get fans back in
tigermaul
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Others might wonder if some of it is deliberate chaos to mask the even greater chaos that will ensue after December 31st 2020.
My understanding was that the public health director from the area ie: Hull,was responsible and instrumental in bringing forth recommendation for further restrictions.
Obviously if I'm wrong,I apologise.
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