FA statement: Hull City's proposed name change

[TigerinSydney]

Most of the day to day decisions are being made by Ehab. Someone in authority at the club gave specific instructions for social media names to be changed to omit anything "City" related. I think Ehab is just as bloody minded as his father.

Dropping 'City' from almost every page/sentence possible is simply childish... It is not a move that will make more money, it is not a move that will grow our fanbase (the polar opposite in fact) and it is not the move of an owner in charge of a business with 'City' in its name - it's just spiteful and childish

 

[Hank Scorpio]

I think it's still worth making the point that if they really have found a golden goose from a name change (I don't think they hve for a minute) they're hardly going to publish it before taking first dibs and most the eggs home for themselves are they?

Wasn't that whole point of their case though? Surely, publishing it would've been the correct thing- so they can prove they were correct.

If they had found someone willing to invest in Hull Tigers then their case wouldn't have been chucked out by the FA.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Who said anything about publishing it? The FA would have dealt with it confidentially like all the other submissions.

Aren't the submissions all made public?

And what about the hundreds of folk on the fa council who will get to see it?

What's to stop them secretly taking the information back to their favourite clubs chairman?

I'm not sticking up for him or defending his stupid idea, but even he isn't stupid enough to open his mouth if he's found a pot of gold.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Aren't the submissions all made public?

And what about the hundreds of folk on the fa council who will get to see it?

What's to stop them secretly taking the information back to their favourite clubs chairman?

I'm not sticking up for him or defending his stupid idea, but even he isn't stupid enough to open his mouth if he's found a pot of gold.

The FA Council members didn't see the submissions, only the three man membership sub-committe actually heard submissions, they then made recommendations to the full council.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Wasn't that whole point of their case though? Surely, publishing it would've been the correct thing- so they can prove they were correct.

If they had found someone willing to invest in Hull Tigers then their case wouldn't have been chucked out by the FA.

Catch 22 isn't it.

Assuming there is a golden goose, which as I've said I'm under no illusion there actually is.

 

[Amin Arrears]

The FA Council members didn't see the submissions, only the three man membership sub-committe actually heard submissions, they then made recommendations to the full council.

Right. Well that obviously would make it more in Allams interest to submit any evidence of a potential cash pot.

That seems a bit dodgy though, a council of hundreds voting on the opinions made by three. Anyone casting a vote should have had full access to and read any submissions made.

 

[DMD]

The FA Council members didn't see the submissions, only the three man membership sub-committe actually heard submissions, they then made recommendations to the full council.

Yet the self and same FA justify not acting on chairmen, especially those running clubs into administration , stating it's not for the FA to tell clubs how to run their business.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Yet the self and same FA justify not acting on chairmen, especially those running clubs into administration , stating it's not for the FA to tell clubs how to run their business.

Yep. So theres only 3 to sort out. There must have been something there for 27 to vote for the name change.

Who would the three be?

 

[Kempton]

Why bite ?

 

[The Omega Man]

Yet the self and same FA justify not acting on chairmen, especially those running clubs into administration , stating it's not for the FA to tell clubs how to run their business.

The FA know FA!

 

[Steven Toast]

There's a club in Argentina called Club Atletico Douglas Haig.

Wouldn't Dougie be better for marketing purposes?

 

[King Curtis]

At last - some common sense. At least we've got a group that speaks for all the supporters and not just the vocal minority that is CTWD (now renamed, ironically!!).The vast majority of supporters are bored silly with the name change issue - supporting the team on the pitch is what's important. Let's stick to that.

The number of people talking about it would say otherwise, whether for or against Allam. Supporting the team is important but you can't make this something to sweep under the carpet. It's in the national press for ****s sake, with the good doctor dragging it up in the press! People are bored silly, but with the loony old man's constant ****wittery.

 

[Irememberwaggy]

Their members voted against a name change.

Hatties right, you're a thick ****.

That's what I love about this Forum - the ability to make posts without receiving just abuse in reply!!
As a point of fact (but why let facts ruin an argument eh?) the vast majority of the HCOSC didn't vote at all because, like me, they don't consider this name change proposal to be that important. A vocal minority see it as a big issue - I don't have a problem with that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But most of us are bored to death with the issue!

 

[DMD]

That's what I love about this Forum - the ability to make posts without receiving just abuse in reply!!
As a point of fact (but why let facts ruin an argument eh?) the vast majority of the HCOSC didn't vote at all because, like me, they don't consider this name change proposal to be that important. A vocal minority see it as a big issue - I don't have a problem with that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But most of us are bored to death with the issue!

Do you have anything to support that 'fact'?.

 

[Stockholm Tiger]

the vast majority of the HCOSC didn't vote at all because, like me, they don't consider this name change proposal to be that important.

I can sort of see the point of view of the pro-name change posters even if I don't agree with them. What I really can't get my head around is people who say they have NO opinion at all.

What do consider important? If the club name doesn't matter what about our colours? What if the club decided to ditch Black and Amber and switch to Red with Gold trim as it was more appealing to the Asian market? How about our location? What if the club moved down to Bristol and merged with Bristol Rovers to take advantage of the bigger catchment area?

Agree or disagree but at least care...

 

[originallambrettaman]

That's what I love about this Forum - the ability to make posts without receiving just abuse in reply!!
As a point of fact (but why let facts ruin an argument eh?) the vast majority of the HCOSC didn't vote at all because, like me, they don't consider this name change proposal to be that important. A vocal minority see it as a big issue - I don't have a problem with that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But most of us are bored to death with the issue!

First you claim that the OSC speaks for all supporters, then you claim others aren't dealing in facts?

Throughout the campaign CTWD were pleading for an open ballot, they were doing so because they confident that the majority of City fans don't want a name change. The owner refused to have one because he was fully aware that he couldn't win that vote.

That's the facts.

I agree with you about everyone being bored with the issue, it should have been dropped when the application was rejected almost a year ago. The existing application would fail again, a new application will also fail as it requires an open fan ballot, the whole thing is divisive and utterly pointless.

 

[Irememberwaggy]

I can sort of see the point of view of the pro-name change posters even if I don't agree with them. What I really can't get my head around is people who say they have NO opinion at all.

What do consider important? If the club name doesn't matter what about our colours? What if the club decided to ditch Black and Amber and switch to Red with Gold trim as it was more appealing to the Asian market? How about our location? What if the club moved down to Bristol and merged with Bristol Rovers to take advantage of the bigger catchment area?

Agree or disagree but at least care...

If you read what I said you will see that I am talking about this name change proposal - not something completely hypothetical & irrelevant.

 

[balkan tiger]

That's what I love about this Forum - the ability to make posts without receiving just abuse in reply!!
As a point of fact (but why let facts ruin an argument eh?) the vast majority of the HCOSC didn't vote at all because, like me, they don't consider this name change proposal to be that important. A vocal minority see it as a big issue - I don't have a problem with that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But most of us are bored to death with the issue!

Sorry mate but the HCOSC had a free vote and the majority said no to the change. How can you offer as a fact their reasons for not voting and their opinion.

 

[Irememberwaggy]

Sorry mate but the HCOSC had a free vote and the majority said no to the change. How can you offer as a fact their reasons for not voting and their opinion.

Please let's stick to facts - Of the 1477 members, 555 voted against the proposed name change, 922 either voted in favour or where not interested enough in the issue to bother to vote. It's my understanding that 555 is not a majority of 1477.

 

[Obadiah]

Please let's stick to facts - Of the 1477 members, 555 voted against the proposed name change, 922 either voted in favour or where not interested enough in the issue to bother to vote. It's my understanding that 555 is not a majority of 1477.

Which means that Assem Allam needs more than 12,000 to vote in favour of any name change. Last time he managed under 3,000 with the threat of walking away within 24 hours. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Unless Assem Allam accepts he has to prepare a new business plan that gives a sound and compelling reason for the change of name and holds a fair ballot we will remain Hull City. He's said he's not going to put in another application so for all intents and purposes the name change is dead.