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Surely anyone that wanted rid of the Allam family would have voted No to Hull Tigers? But only 2517 did, the vast majority supported neither, what does that show?

May I also ask, everyone is outraged at Assem for his stupid outburst when fans had a different opinion to his, but when any pro name changer comes on here they get abused. What's the difference?

Thanks OLM, for giving me the perfect example.
 
The real problem with CTWD is the fact that they've created a (racist) black and white environment and not only cowardly shifted all the blame on AA but have basically shunned anyone who dared question them (reminds you of someone?). I have zero respect for someone telling me "you're either with us or with AA".


This is why I attribute 50% of the mess we're in now to them because I read right through the fake "we're willing to work with the Allams" political bullshit.
The campaign was too personal imo and ZERO thinking was put into the aftermath and the consequences. Focusing too much on the present and not the future.
On top of that this forum became their HQ, openly critical posts were edited and deleted by CTWD members like DMD and PLT , which certainly didn't help whatsoever. The more it went on the more the campaign's tactics mirrored those of AA . CTWD couldn't control who joined them and it gradually became an Anti-Allam group (through songs, posts, tweets and so on) despite the public and fake denial of its leaders. Lies were uncovered and I just didn't want to be a part of what resembled what is going on in Crimea.

And frankly, I give as much **** about your response to this, as you do of my opinions but after 8 months some still don't understand the problem some of us have with CTWD. Some thick ****s still seem to think that criticising CTWD means you want the name to change, no sense of self-criticism.

CTWD= honourable intentions, great passion but wrong execution.

CTWD 'created a black and white environment' and 'shifted all the blame on AA'?

Who made it a Hull Tigers versus Hull City? Not CTWD - so where should the blame be placed? I'll volunteer that it should be placed on those who encouraged or bowed down to him. Where do you find yourself when you answer that question?
 
Surely anyone that wanted rid of the Allam family would have voted No to Hull Tigers? But only 2517 did, the vast majority supported neither, what does that show?

May I also ask, everyone is outraged at Assem for his stupid outburst when fans had a different opinion to his, but when any pro name changer comes on here they get abused. What's the difference?

Nope. Allam called the vote to show the level of support for him, 83% didn't back him.
 
The real problem with CTWD is the fact that they've created a (racist) black and white environment and not only cowardly shifted all the blame on AA but have basically shunned anyone who dared question them (reminds you of someone?). I have zero respect for someone telling me "you're either with us or with AA".


This is why I attribute 50% of the mess we're in now to them because I read right through the fake "we're willing to work with the Allams" political bullshit.
The campaign was too personal imo and ZERO thinking was put into the aftermath and the consequences. Focusing too much on the present and not the future.
On top of that this forum became their HQ, openly critical posts were edited and deleted by CTWD members like DMD and PLT , which certainly didn't help whatsoever. The more it went on the more the campaign's tactics mirrored those of AA . CTWD couldn't control who joined them and it gradually became an Anti-Allam group (through songs, posts, tweets and so on) despite the public and fake denial of its leaders. Lies were uncovered and I just didn't want to be a part of what resembled what is going on in Crimea.

And frankly, I give as much **** about your response to this, as you do of my opinions but after 8 months some still don't understand the problem some of us have with CTWD. Some thick ****s still seem to think that criticising CTWD means you want the name to change, no sense of self-criticism.

CTWD= honourable intentions, great passion but wrong execution.

I would say CTWD did what it said on the tin. We showed substantial opposition amongst Hull City fans and asked the FA to say no, which they did. I would say, given the statements of Assem Allam, we have shown remarkable restraint. I still think if he dropped the idea and called a meeting of all fans groups to help find ways of masking City self-sufficient without the name change there would be a huge sigh of relief across the Tiger Nation and we could all work together to build Hull City into an established Priemer League team. Whether he'll do that isn't up to me, its a decision that will be taken by Assem Allam.
 
Surely anyone that wanted rid of the Allam family would have voted No to Hull Tigers? But only 2517 did, the vast majority supported neither, what does that show?

May I also ask, everyone is outraged at Assem for his stupid outburst when fans had a different opinion to his, but when any pro name changer comes on here they get abused. What's the difference?

Thanks OLM, for giving me the perfect example.

No problem. <ok>
 
But there wasn't an option to go against the Allam family?

Ironically it's a similar argument CTWD put forward about about there not being an option for Yes to Hull Tigers
 
But there wasn't an option to go against the Allam family?

Ironically it's a similar argument CTWD put forward about about there not being an option for Yes to Hull Tigers

Nope, it's really simple. The vote was called purely to show Allams support. Despite the poor questions and other influences, 83% didn't support him. It could only be spun the other way if CTWD had called the vote, or the questions were better worded.
 
Nope, it's really simple. The vote was called purely to show Allams support. Despite the poor questions and other influences, 83% didn't support him. It could only be spun the other way if CTWD had called the vote, or the questions were better worded.

But it's petty arguments, such as these, which undermine all the hardwork CTWD have done...
 
But it's petty arguments, such as these, which undermine all the hardwork CTWD have done...

Petty arguments such as what?

What DMD stated there is simple fact, a brief and unbiased summary of proceedings.

You're either really thick, or you just haven't followed the situation at all, have absolutely no knowledge of what's been going on and therefore are unqualified for valid comment.
 
In a childish manner, you can spin the poll any way you want to be honest, but why there wasn't a landslide CTWD victory, despite the unfair questions, should surely be a cause of concern?

As I said, I was simply responding to the point YOU made.<doh>

It's not CTWD's poll, you simply can't spin it as you keep trying to do. Depsite the piss poor wording, the vote was to determine the level of support Allam had. It was 17% even with the fudges and influence.
 
Not at all. Wrong yet again. I would accept that to some in this world i am a thick person but when it comes to you and people like you then i am ""Albert Einstein"". <ok>

Then why don't you behave like Mr. Einstein?

You aver you're not bothered about the name-change, but you back AA in his 'wisdom'. Did you also vote YES?

You want it all to now fade away, but you must be aware that your hero won't allow it to.
 
If you believe that, the supermods can track every action we've made. If what you say is true, they will act. If you can't prove it, you stop posting.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP ARSEHOLE.

How am I supposed to f**king find the posts YOU removed??

Please explain. I posted a couple things in January around the time when the Name change discussion thread was created and they disappeared instantly. They were of course criticising CTWD. Otherwise I wouldn't give a **** that you and PLT are CTWD members and therefore biased. I even sent Ricardo a message.

Also do you really think I have the time ( i know some do ) to look through THOUSANDS of threads to prove to YOU of all people?
 
How am I supposed to f**king find the posts YOU removed??

Please explain. I posted a couple things in January around the time when the Name change discussion thread was created and they disappeared instantly.

Also do you really think I have the time ( i know some do ) to look through THOUSANDS of threads to prove to YOU of all people?


You've made a strong statement accusing me and another person and you've just repeated the lie. Not one solitary post has been removed or altered purely because it was pro-name change.



Either back your claim, apologise, or **** off.
 
You've made a strong statement accusing me and another person and you've just repeated the lie. Not one solitary post has been removed or altered purely because it was pro-name change.



Either back your claim, apologise, or f**k off.

Well I was given ZERO reasons as to why it was removed. Is that good moderation? How the f**k am I suppose to guess it wasn't because of CTWD?

f**k off I'm not apologising for anything. My posts got deleted but conveniently for you I can't prove that. It's either you or PLT because I spoke to Ricardo who made it clear he wasn't CTWD and frankly at the time both you and PLT were breaching your duties as moderators and insulting me on a personal level and getting involved in the subject matter too much.
Just ask PLT if it wasn't you then. I don't give a flying ****.
 
The real problem with CTWD is the fact that they've created a (racist) black and white environment and not only cowardly shifted all the blame on AA but have basically shunned anyone who dared question them (reminds you of someone?). I have zero respect for someone telling me "you're either with us or with AA".


This is why I attribute 50% of the mess we're in now to them because I read right through the fake "we're willing to work with the







Allams" political bullshit.
The campaign was too personal imo and ZERO thinking was put into the aftermath and the consequences. Focusing too much on the present and not the future.
On top of that this forum became their HQ, openly critical posts were edited and deleted by CTWD members like DMD and PLT , which certainly didn't help whatsoever. The more it went on the more the campaign's tactics mirrored those of AA . CTWD couldn't control who joined them and it gradually became an Anti-Allam group (through songs, posts, tweets and so on) despite the public and fake denial of its leaders. Lies were uncovered and I just didn't want to be a part of what resembled what is going on in Crimea.

And frankly, I give as much **** about your response to this, as you do of my opinions but after 8 months some still don't understand the problem some of us have with CTWD. Some thick ****s still seem to think that criticising CTWD means you want the name to change, no sense of self-criticism.

CTWD= honourable intentions, great passion but wrong execution.

I think yours is a minority opinion. You only have to look at Twitter, facebook, other clubs representatives, journalists and sports presenters to realise that CTWD conducted themselves very sensibly and professionally. They have never made things personal against Mr Allam despite provocation from him and have always stressed their support for the Allams continuing to run the club, the only thing they campaigned against was the name change. There will always be individuals who chant stuff you don't like or come onto forums and post stuff you don't like but CTWD are not to blame for that.
 
Well I was given ZERO reasons as to why it was removed. Is that good moderation? How the **** am I suppose to guess it wasn't because of CTWD?

**** off I'm not apologising for anything. My posts got deleted but conveniently for you I can't prove that.

You can prove it if it happened, I've already told you that ALL our actions can be viewed by the supermods.