A quite excellent post and good summary of the situation. Prepare for the usual suspects to throw abuse at you for it unfortunately.
It's the ramblings of a halfwit.
No wonder it appealed to you.
A quite excellent post and good summary of the situation. Prepare for the usual suspects to throw abuse at you for it unfortunately.
The real problem with CTWD is the fact that they've created a (racist) black and white environment and not only cowardly shifted all the blame on AA but have basically shunned anyone who dared question them (reminds you of someone?). I have zero respect for someone telling me "you're either with us or with AA".
This is why I attribute 50% of the mess we're in now to them because I read right through the fake "we're willing to work with the Allams" political bullshit.
The campaign was too personal imo and ZERO thinking was put into the aftermath and the consequences. Focusing too much on the present and not the future.
On top of that this forum became their HQ, openly critical posts were edited and deleted by CTWD members like DMD and PLT , which certainly didn't help whatsoever. The more it went on the more the campaign's tactics mirrored those of AA . CTWD couldn't control who joined them and it gradually became an Anti-Allam group (through songs, posts, tweets and so on) despite the public and fake denial of its leaders. Lies were uncovered and I just didn't want to be a part of what resembled what is going on in Crimea.
And frankly, I give as much **** about your response to this, as you do of my opinions but after 8 months some still don't understand the problem some of us have with CTWD. Some thick ****s still seem to think that criticising CTWD means you want the name to change, no sense of self-criticism.
CTWD= honourable intentions, great passion but wrong execution.
Surely anyone that wanted rid of the Allam family would have voted No to Hull Tigers? But only 2517 did, the vast majority supported neither, what does that show?
May I also ask, everyone is outraged at Assem for his stupid outburst when fans had a different opinion to his, but when any pro name changer comes on here they get abused. What's the difference?
The real problem with CTWD is the fact that they've created a (racist) black and white environment and not only cowardly shifted all the blame on AA but have basically shunned anyone who dared question them (reminds you of someone?). I have zero respect for someone telling me "you're either with us or with AA".
This is why I attribute 50% of the mess we're in now to them because I read right through the fake "we're willing to work with the Allams" political bullshit.
The campaign was too personal imo and ZERO thinking was put into the aftermath and the consequences. Focusing too much on the present and not the future.
On top of that this forum became their HQ, openly critical posts were edited and deleted by CTWD members like DMD and PLT , which certainly didn't help whatsoever. The more it went on the more the campaign's tactics mirrored those of AA . CTWD couldn't control who joined them and it gradually became an Anti-Allam group (through songs, posts, tweets and so on) despite the public and fake denial of its leaders. Lies were uncovered and I just didn't want to be a part of what resembled what is going on in Crimea.
And frankly, I give as much **** about your response to this, as you do of my opinions but after 8 months some still don't understand the problem some of us have with CTWD. Some thick ****s still seem to think that criticising CTWD means you want the name to change, no sense of self-criticism.
CTWD= honourable intentions, great passion but wrong execution.
Surely anyone that wanted rid of the Allam family would have voted No to Hull Tigers? But only 2517 did, the vast majority supported neither, what does that show?
May I also ask, everyone is outraged at Assem for his stupid outburst when fans had a different opinion to his, but when any pro name changer comes on here they get abused. What's the difference?
Thanks OLM, for giving me the perfect example.

But there wasn't an option to go against the Allam family?
Ironically it's a similar argument CTWD put forward about about there not being an option for Yes to Hull Tigers
Nope, it's really simple. The vote was called purely to show Allams support. Despite the poor questions and other influences, 83% didn't support him. It could only be spun the other way if CTWD had called the vote, or the questions were better worded.
But it's petty arguments, such as these, which undermine all the hardwork CTWD have done...

I was simply replying to your point. The pettyness is all yours.![]()
But it's petty arguments, such as these, which undermine all the hardwork CTWD have done...
In a childish manner, you can spin the poll any way you want to be honest, but why there wasn't a landslide CTWD victory, despite the unfair questions, should surely be a cause of concern?

Not at all. Wrong yet again. I would accept that to some in this world i am a thick person but when it comes to you and people like you then i am ""Albert Einstein"".![]()
If you believe that, the supermods can track every action we've made. If what you say is true, they will act. If you can't prove it, you stop posting.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP ARSEHOLE.
How am I supposed to f**king find the posts YOU removed??
Please explain. I posted a couple things in January around the time when the Name change discussion thread was created and they disappeared instantly.
Also do you really think I have the time ( i know some do ) to look through THOUSANDS of threads to prove to YOU of all people?
You've made a strong statement accusing me and another person and you've just repeated the lie. Not one solitary post has been removed or altered purely because it was pro-name change.
Either back your claim, apologise, or f**k off.
The real problem with CTWD is the fact that they've created a (racist) black and white environment and not only cowardly shifted all the blame on AA but have basically shunned anyone who dared question them (reminds you of someone?). I have zero respect for someone telling me "you're either with us or with AA".
This is why I attribute 50% of the mess we're in now to them because I read right through the fake "we're willing to work with the
Allams" political bullshit.
The campaign was too personal imo and ZERO thinking was put into the aftermath and the consequences. Focusing too much on the present and not the future.
On top of that this forum became their HQ, openly critical posts were edited and deleted by CTWD members like DMD and PLT , which certainly didn't help whatsoever. The more it went on the more the campaign's tactics mirrored those of AA . CTWD couldn't control who joined them and it gradually became an Anti-Allam group (through songs, posts, tweets and so on) despite the public and fake denial of its leaders. Lies were uncovered and I just didn't want to be a part of what resembled what is going on in Crimea.
And frankly, I give as much **** about your response to this, as you do of my opinions but after 8 months some still don't understand the problem some of us have with CTWD. Some thick ****s still seem to think that criticising CTWD means you want the name to change, no sense of self-criticism.
CTWD= honourable intentions, great passion but wrong execution.
Well I was given ZERO reasons as to why it was removed. Is that good moderation? How the **** am I suppose to guess it wasn't because of CTWD?
**** off I'm not apologising for anything. My posts got deleted but conveniently for you I can't prove that.