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Des Head said:
I can't see the result being changed now but I can see Mercedes taking this to court. Masi should have red flagged the race if he was so desperate for a final lap showdown. Then both drivers could have had fresh tyres for a 1 lap winner takes all.
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I think a lot of the confusion of the last 2 races has been down to him tbh, he just comes across as confusing with no clear instructions, even today he changed his mind 3 times about the back markers unlapping themselves, then didn't even allow that to happen properly.
 
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Blaknamberblood said:
I concur .. but I've had the feeling all season that F1 wanted to put an end to Mercedes monopoly of the title, Verstappen has been guilty several times throughout the season of overstepping the mark as to what is racing and what is dodgem cars, he does love to push other drivers off the track. He's young and eager and I get that but at times during this season he has been a loose cannon.
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I don't mind Verstappen pushing the limits, or any driver, but the penalties have been so inconsistent. It has felt a bit like they wanted a new World Champion but I was just putting that down to sour grapes from Hamilton fans. Today makes you wonder though.
 
Blaknamberblood said:
I think a lot of the confusion of the last 2 races has been down to him tbh, he just comes across as confusing with no clear instructions, even today he changed his mind 3 times about the back markers unlapping themselves, then didn't even allow that to happen properly.
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Yeah, I agree. At the last race in Saudi where he was "offering" penalties to Red Bull I think he lost respect from the teams.
 
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Des Head said:
I don't mind Verstappen pushing the limits, or any driver, but the penalties have been so inconsistent. It has felt a bit like they wanted a new World Champion but I was just putting that down to sour grapes from Hamilton fans. Today makes you wonder though.
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I'm all for racing hard, but this guy is gonna be the death of someone, Hamilton fortunately walked away from one such incident when Verstappen parked his red bull on the roof of Hamiltons Merc. He needs reigning back.
 
DMD said:
I think it's hilarious. Hamilton's a snide ****e that tries to bend the rules in ways that he can still claim to be the victim, and it's bit him on the arse. <laugh>
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I see your opinions went down like a sack of **** on the F1 forum. I hope you find the kindred spirits you crave over here.
 
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DMD said:
I think it's hilarious. Hamilton's a snide ****e that tries to bend the rules in ways that he can still claim to be the victim, and it's bit him on the arse. <laugh>
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It's Toto Wolfe and Mercedes lawyers that are appealing it, while they were upstairs locked In discussions Hamilton was downstairs in the drivers zone, bit wide of the mark on this one, and he actually spoke very eloquently afterwards, much more reserved then I would have been having been robbed of a world title
 
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Lets be honest... F1 is a bit like Liverpool and Manchester City in the same division as Plymouth, Yeovil and Scunthorpe... I'm not versed in all the rules, or an F1 fan, but rather than watching 56 laps or so of dross, a scrap is a pleasant change and allows these two drivers to show just how good they are...
 
Blaknamberblood said:
I'm all for racing hard, but this guy is gonna be the death of someone, Hamilton fortunately walked away from one such incident when Verstappen parked his red bull on the roof of Hamiltons Merc. He needs reigning back.
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He's got Horner and his Dad telling him he's doing everything right, and to be fair, he's now the World Champion. He's wild on track but he won't learn if he's never punished. He drives in real life like I used to drive on PS3!
 
TIGERSCAVE said:
Lets be honest... F1 is a bit like Liverpool and Manchester City in the same division as Plymouth, Yeovil and Scunthorpe... I'm not versed in all the rules, or an F1 fan, but rather than watching 56 laps or so of dross, a scrap is a pleasant change and allows these two drivers to show just how good they are...
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On track battles are great but off track litigation is boring as.
 
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i dont like hamilton, but i dont like the way verstappen bullies other drivers out of the way.

as for this last lap farce. its a bit like changing the rules so as to hand the win to the car in second place.
also verstappen overtook hamilton under a safety car.

people may say it was only centimetres and for a fraction of a second.

but crossing the finishing line at the end of a race depends on much less than that.

you either have rules and stick to them
or bin them
 
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chillo said:
i dont like hamilton, but i dont like the way verstappen bullies other drivers out of the way.

as for this last lap farce. its a bit like changing the rules so as to hand the win to the car in second place.
also verstappen overtook hamilton under a safety car.

people may say it was only centimetres and for a fraction of a second.

but crossing the finishing line at the end of a race depends on much less than that.

you either have rules and stick to them
or bin them
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I know Verstappen was close but did he get past? I've not seen it back.
 
Des Head said:
Article 48.12 suggests that either all lapped cars can overtake the safety car or none. By just letting the lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen overtake the safety car, Verstappen was handed a clear advantage. If Mercedes had known that only a few cars would be let through they would have pitted for fresh tyres.

It's a **** way to end a great season.
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This plus a secondary breach was that Verstappen actually went in front / overtook Lewis Hamilton under a safety car which is against the rules.
 
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chillo said:
were you ignoring safety car?
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You don't need a safety car with my wife telling when you are going too fast, when it is safe to overtake, when you are too lose to the car in front, when you should brake and warning of other cars, bikes and people crossing the road that you are already aware of so you look round wondering if you have missed something. Needless to say she doesn't drive and says nothing in someone else's car.
 
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