Off Topic European Debate Thread

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In, out, or undecided?

  • In

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
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All members of the establishment, plenty of jobs for the good old boys there, this is a vote for members of the public only, they will decide..

The good old boys and know-alls can stick it where the sun don't shine, I'm going for new ideas, new world trade, freedom, after all this is the Asian age and trade wise Europe is a busted flush.
 
Mind the gap! said:
For the undecided

A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.

Please repost this list, if you think it might help.
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People with histories of left wing anti racism can be included in the list of those wanting to leave the EU. Why have you not included them? Why have you included the BNP? What are you implying?
 
Mind the gap! said:
Many international papers such as Washington post questioning the sanity of those wanting out.
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What the **** does the Washington post know about it and more importantly who cares!

You really are dragging the bottom on your arguments now...


Mind the gap! said:
The leader of the Labour Party
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Oh no he Doesn't. so thats the first lie easily picked out.. Even his brother reckons he'll vote out in the privacy of the booth!
 
Mtg bringing the bnp into it. if you declare yourself as out then you are a xenophobic, racist, little englander, who can't possibly have any other motivation for wanting to leave, its just name calling without argument. Brainless.
 
Red Alert said:
Mtg bringing the bnp into it. if you declare yourself as out then you are a xenophobic, racist, little englander, who can't possibly have any other motivation for wanting to leave, its just name calling without argument. Brainless.
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Let's be honest it was a copied post.

My point remains that immigration is the only reason people want out.

The main issue is that the economy will go to **** if we leave.

Many companies such as Rolls-Royce have said that they'll postpone investment in the event of an out vote
 
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Mind the gap! said:
Let's be honest it was a copied post.

My point remains that immigration is the only reason people want out.

The main issue is that the economy will go to **** if we leave.

Many companies such as Rolls-Royce have said that they'll postpone investment in the event of an out vote
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i tell you something it will be a monkey of their backs when we are out.

fly free RR watch em grow around the world.

i have the contract to maintain their vehicles here in Bristol and believe me the Mercs,,Audi,BMWs are still rolling in.
 
Mind the gap! said:
My point remains that immigration is the only reason people want out.
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Wrong. Immigration is NOT the ONLY reason people want out.

1, I want out so we can make our own decisions and not be told what to do by the EU.
2, I want out so we can use our money on things that WE (as in the UK) need. Its about time that WE had no one homeless. Its about time that WE didnt have to use food banks. Currently the number is rising every single day of people having to use food banks. Its disgusting that we have the 5th best economy yet have record number of homeless people, many who are ex-armed forces. Nice way to be treated after serving OUR country. Its disgusting that the most vulnerable in our society have to survive on food banks. The money we will save from no longer sending it to the EU, can go on OUR own people. And before you twist what I say, Im not suggesting we use all the money on this. The point is, WE get to decide where it goes.
3, I want out so we can trade how WE want with the rest of the world, which will grow our economy.

There are other reasons too, but you get the picture. Immigartion is certainly NOT the ONLY reason as you suggest. And With suggesting that, you show how disrespectful you are towards everyone on here. It shows that you clearly havent read peoples opinions to see what their real reasons are for wanting out.

I also want out for immigration reasons. Have control on the numbers and what type of person we let in. For example, many Eastern Europeans have been arrested in the UK for bringing crime here like in London for example, pick pocketing. A fair few of them had criminal records in their own country and certainly wouldnt be allowed here bringing their crimes to our country, hurting our people.
 
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Captain Jack Sparrow said:
A short 2 minute video on our immigration system would work... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36430506

If we leave, I like how anyone in the world can apply for the job and not just be used by those within the EU. Its about time we are fair to all.
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Could, however wil likely strike a trade deal with the EU that includes a freedom of movement agreement with Europe anyway.
 
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