Off Topic European Debate Thread

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In, out, or undecided?

  • In

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
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Cliftonville said:
The only way to compete with China (steel wise) is for the Eu to make a stand and restrict Chinese imports within the Eu.

This was his point. It is incorrect. A way of competing with China would be to deregulate and subsidise.

The thought of Britain asking the EU to block Chinese importation is uneven. The Conservatives have gone to great lengths to make China one of the UK's biggest trading partners. It is not a good nation to start a trade war with!!
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The trouble is that the third world will always be able to undercut the first world on primary and secondary industries
 
Mind the gap! said:
But the EU doesn't make it uncompetitive.

Leaving would likely not change the steel industry situation
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The EU can and does make industry uncompetitive. Leaving the EU would allow the steel industry to de-regulate, and Government more lee way to intervene and look at protectionist policies. That would be a significant alteration.

You avoided those points regarding the steel industry.

The common agricultural policy also can make British farming uncompetitive, and for some farmers loss making.
 
swanseaandproud said:
not get more than £50/ week to live on and he meant it....
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what is the difference between your Housing benefit candidates and OAPS.. OAPS get less to live on

swanseaandproud said:
None of them can tell you how it will effect the average family or who is going to have their livelihood looked after when all the jobs funded by the EU and factories built and owned by EU are finished and moved to one of the other EU countries.....
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AND WHERE EXACTLY DOES THIS MONEY COME FROM .... .... .... uuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmm let me think AH YES got it ..from the £13b we pay in and get back, OH SORRY, TYPO error from the £3-4 we get back so it costs us £13b to get back £4b that's super odds ..
imagine you pay a company £1000 a week to work there, and they pay you back £300 as a reward!
ALSO WE ARE TIED TO allow other countries companies to buy up our companies and move the prifits elsewhere .. one example is Kraft and Cadbury Schweppes .. another is Boots the chemist .. then take the utilities and the lottery ...
 
missed a few comments out regarding steel and other things as I need to "speed read" most of the comments some of which are repetitive or dressed in a different phraseology ...
vote is 18 LEAVE 7 STAY & UNDECIDED IS 7 , NATIONALLY THE UNDECIDED ARE LIKELY TO BE STAY 70% / 30% LEAVE, based on the comments made by the undecided as to why they are undecided ...

SO what happens next ..we had the vote and it is LEAVE 52% STAY 47% AND 1% SPOILT ....

IT IS ADVISE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER LEAVING
IT IS TO ACTUALLY PAY NOTHING AT THE END OF THIS TERM AND BE INDEPENDANT UK
IT IS TO START NEGOTIATIONS ON LEAVING
IT IS TO START NEGOTIATIONS ON A BETTER DEAL TO STAY
IT IS THE START OF YEARS OF POLITICAL IN FIGHTING
IT IS THE START OF PEACE AND GOODWILL TO ALL COUNTRIES TO LIVE AND WORK IN HARMONY AND TRADE FAIRLY
IT IS THE START OF RENEWED EFFORTS TO BREAK UP THE uUK ( small u is deliberate)
 
It's not the wealthy and the corporate elite who have seen their wages undercut and the pressure on their schools and hospitals, or who can't get on to the housing ladder.

"There is another great bonus of leaving the EU - we'll be able to design a new immigration system that brings the chaos under control and helps the economy. "It is running at the rate of a million every three years. Last year, 270,000 arrived from Europe alone."

Interesting words. From the Conservatives Employment Minister. And on the economy.

The government thinks it can predict what will happen in the economy in 2030. Last November, the Treasury said there was going to be a windfall of £27 billion from unexpectedly high tax receipts. When the Budget came round in March, that had turned into a £56 billion shortfall. Fourteen years ahead? They can't even predict 14 weeks ahead.
 
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Kind of shoots down the racist card argument!!

Employment minister Priti Patel.

"It is crazy that we make it so hard for Indian geniuses to come here just because they don't have EU passports and just because we have to let in anyone from Europe who feels like coming here and trying their luck at finding a job"

"If the government seriously believed the doom-laden propaganda they have been pumping out about the horrors of life after the EU, they would never have called this referendum in the first place,"
 
Mind the gap! said:
I don't forsee a decent trade deal without us having to comprise on immigration.
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And I don't see us compromising on immigration when that will be the main reason most people will have voted to leave.

As Priti Patel says there are many talented people from all around the world who could enhance our society that we could choose to let in if we so desire that we are currently are unable to!
 
banksyisourhero said:
And I don't see us compromising on immigration when that will be the main reason most people will have voted to leave.

As Priti Patel says there are many talented people from all around the world who could enhance our society that we could choose to let in if we so desire that we are currently are unable to!
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Patel seams a bit salty that he wasn't born in the Eu <whistle>
 
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