Match Day Thread Euro 2016 Thread

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Not sure why the complaint is Wilshere over Drinkwater.

Wilshere offers something no other England CM does - he can carry the ball and take it under pressure + move forward.

If you want to complain about Drinkwater it should be about Henderson.

I feel a bit for Mark Noble in that regard too - but he can't be on the plane with so little experience in that CM role. It's a failing of previous and present managers that he's never been tested. Merit wise, Defoe should go over Rashford too.

I'd probably line up like this....

-----------------------------Hart
Clyne--------Smalling--------Cahill--------Bertrand
--------------------------Dier
-------------Wilshere-----------Milner
--------------------------Alli
---------------Kane------------Vardy

In an ideal world Sturridge would start but he's probably not quite fit enough. Vardy would be a great sub option.

No Sterling - Milner has a better end product and is more effective in combination play around the box. Raheem's game has diminished to running towards the corner flag and passing back in-field.
 
Master Yoda said:
Not sure why the complaint is Wilshere over Drinkwater.

Wilshere offers something no other England CM does - he can carry the ball and take it under pressure + move forward.

If you want to complain about Drinkwater it should be about Henderson.
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Wilshere's 3 (THREE) appearances in all competitions this season is the problem
 
I think you also need to consider which players tend to play better for England regardless of club form. Some players are like that and that should be a massive factor imo. So the ONLY argument for Wilshere is IF he performs for England. He doesn't. So there goes any remaining justification for him being in the England squad. In that case let Drinkwater have a go. BTW I would add Sturrudge in that as well. Very good at club but doesn't do it for England. Conversely Walcott has always been consistently good for England.
 
The England squad is clearly geared more towards playing an all out attacking style, trying to score lots of goals. There are quite a few good creative midfield options, couple of decent more defensive minded ones and several strikers who are in the zone right now. Defensively you can't say anything more than there's a few 'solid' options, Clyne, Smalling, Rose, Cahill but no stellar players. Not that there are any of those anywhere in the team really, but in midfield and up front you feel the talent and quality is at a higher level than at the back so you should look to exploit that
 
lets talk actual squad:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Fraser Forster (Southampton), Tom Heaton (Burnley).

Defenders: Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones (Everton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur), Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool).

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham Hotspur), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham Hotspur), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Strikers: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United).

Keepers.. I don't really care. there's 3 rules call for 3.. the third one never matters much

Defenders: 3 CBs.. risky. Yes dier could but.. c'mon...

Midfield: well depends on formation. if is a 4 man midfield its light. 3 man its maybe ok. I agree with the whilshire stuff... reality check he's barely kicked a ball. no way he is fit. or ready to play in a tournament. Then theres balance.. there are 3 wingers there. milner lallana and sterling.. we know they aint cms. then theres barkely and alli who are both forward charging players who have not got the heads for defence really.. in an international setting systems and covering each other is vital.. seems light in CM

I think this is unbalanced but then delph got injured and he's left drinkwater back.

"strikers" 5 strikers... for what one position? will he play one wide or what? or is rooney playing CM?

I've no issue with bringing rashford. I think 4 strikers was enough so... well its better than when rooney broke a toe or whatever and enlgand were out of tournament back in when? 2004/6?

really I just think we are taking a couple risks and hoping for the best here. I think midfield is unbalanced primarily and its weighted towards guys who can't defend which is odd given hodgsons style.
 
Benteknofrog said:
The England squad is clearly geared more towards playing an all out attacking style, trying to score lots of goals. There are quite a few good creative midfield options, couple of decent more defensive minded ones and several strikers who are in the zone right now. Defensively you can't say anything more than there's a few 'solid' options, Clyne, Smalling, Rose, Cahill but no stellar players. Not that there are any of those anywhere in the team really, but in midfield and up front you feel the talent and quality is at a higher level than at the back so you should look to exploit that
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pity hodgson is manager then :bandit: this worked real well last tournament.
 
Treble said:
I think you also need to consider which players tend to play better for England regardless of club form. Some players are like that and that should be a massive factor imo. So the ONLY argument for Wilshere is IF he performs for England. He doesn't. So there goes any remaining justification for him being in the England squad. In that case let Drinkwater have a go. BTW I would add Sturrudge in that as well. Very good at club but doesn't do it for England. Conversely Walcott has always been consistently good for England.
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Whixh is why is take Townsend. Plays well for England when ever given the chance and is actually in decent form.
 
Benteknofrog said:
The England squad is clearly geared more towards playing an all out attacking style, trying to score lots of goals. There are quite a few good creative midfield options, couple of decent more defensive minded ones and several strikers who are in the zone right now. Defensively you can't say anything more than there's a few 'solid' options, Clyne, Smalling, Rose, Cahill but no stellar players. Not that there are any of those anywhere in the team really, but in midfield and up front you feel the talent and quality is at a higher level than at the back so you should look to exploit that
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Lieceater showed you don't need star names in defence. Just 4 defenders that won't make 2 **** ups a game.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
lets talk actual squad:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Fraser Forster (Southampton), Tom Heaton (Burnley).

Defenders: Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones (Everton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur), Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool).

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham Hotspur), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham Hotspur), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Strikers: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United).

Keepers.. I don't really care. there's 3 rules call for 3.. the third one never matters much

Defenders: 3 CBs.. risky. Yes dier could but.. c'mon...

Midfield: well depends on formation. if is a 4 man midfield its light. 3 man its maybe ok. I agree with the whilshire stuff... reality check he's barely kicked a ball. no way he is fit. or ready to play in a tournament. Then theres balance.. there are 3 wingers there. milner lallana and sterling.. we know they aint cms. then theres barkely and alli who are both forward charging players who have not got the heads for defence really.. in an international setting systems and covering each other is vital.. seems light in CM

I think this is unbalanced but then delph got injured and he's left drinkwater back.

"strikers" 5 strikers... for what one position? will he play one wide or what? or is rooney playing CM?

I've no issue with bringing rashford. I think 4 strikers was enough so... well its better than when rooney broke a toe or whatever and enlgand were out of tournament back in when? 2004/6?

really I just think we are taking a couple risks and hoping for the best here. I think midfield is unbalanced primarily and its weighted towards guys who can't defend which is odd given hodgsons style.
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We'll be playing a diamond with basically 3 of those 5 strikers on the pitch. But then your whole point about defensive minded midfielders, comes into play. And so we'll have our arses handed to us on a plate <ok>
 
Joe Allen is going, so England are doomed

Draw against Russia, lose to Wales, Slovakia a dead rubber

FFS why is Roy still manager
 
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Germany have embarrassing depth in a few positions... but light at full-back and the front three.

France look in good shape but have lost several big players at the back.

Spain it's more about the style they adopt... Great team.

Could Portugal do it? Is Ronaldo even fit?
 
Treble said:
We'll be playing a diamond with basically 3 of those 5 strikers on the pitch. But then your whole point about defensive minded midfielders, comes into play. And so we'll have our arses handed to us on a plate <ok>
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I would like that diamond and see dier as only option there, I think for full backs to do really make width we need another there with him. Henderson?

If we put rooney kane and vardy in the the box to box CM's will be having to do a lot.
 
Master Yoda said:
Germany have embarrassing depth in a few positions... but light at full-back and the front three.

France look in good shape but have lost several big players at the back.

Spain it's more about the style they adopt... Great team.

Could Portugal do it? Is Ronaldo even fit?
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Spain will be a shadow of their former selves imo. The way they dominated possession... and other teams, has gone.
 
le astrotednaut said:
Joe Allen is going, so England are doomed

Draw against Russia, lose to Wales, Slovakia a dead rubber

FFS why is Roy still manager
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We only need 4 points to progress, so a draw against Russia and a win against Slovakia would be enough to go through.......
 
Treble said:
Spain will be a shadow of their former selves imo. The way they dominated possession... and other teams, has gone.
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team is different but interesting

much depends on selection.

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gk?
Azpilcueta RB
Pique CB
Ramos? CB
Alba LB
Busquets DCM
Iniesta CM
ThiagoCM
FabregasAM
Pedro AM
Morata ST

they've quite a good team but will they be a cohesive unit?
 
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