Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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It's been THREE WEEKS since the referendum.
The UK didnt vote to leave the EU because of short term reasons. The UK voted to leave the EU because they prefer making their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions over the decades ahead. There's plenty of people who prefer to stand on their own two feet than cower behind the skirts of the EU.

Regardless, Mark Carney has confirmed that the BOE's predictions and warnings prior to the referendum have come to fruition.
 
So your example of how WTO trade will affect UK business is flawed because it assumes companies won't take action to avoid the additional costs/ delays involved. If you think it only involves tariffs I'm afraid you are very much mistaken. The loss of passporting would result in our banks moving their EU business to the continent, port inspections would harm perishable goods and cause delays in supply chains.
Yes 14% of EU trade will be affected and that is worth more than the 44% of UK trade but in terms of who it will damage most the evidence is very clear. Any increased taxes the UK collect would go on paying extra benefit to support the poor and propping up our economy, assuming it will result in tax cuts or help our balance of trade is just false.
It is most definitely in our interests to avoid this scenario.
Losing passporting will have a two way effect. UK businesses will use their branches in the EU. EU businesses will use their branches in the UK. UK businesses will be able to do business with the rest of the world. EU trade and UK trade should be looked at in absolute numbers not percentages.Why should extra taxes go on supporting the poor and propping up the economy. Theresa May and Philip Hammond will ensure the UK is a low tax low benefit economy. Gone are the days of people spending their lives not bothering to work.
 
The decade figure is from the head of the WTO, who has said that the UK would have to renegotiate all 161 deals separately. with each country. He also said that this could cost the UK consumer an extra £9bn and buisnesses £5.5bn in costs.

Again, quicker doesn't mean better and even then, the deals might not happen quicker than in the EU, they could actually take a lot longer.

We could of course always decide to access the single market, but that comes with tariffs and free movement.

Free movement will not be accepted, so it will be tariffs.
 
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The decade figure is from the head of the WTO, who has said that the UK would have to renegotiate all 161 deals separately. with each country. He also said that this could cost the UK consumer an extra £9bn and buisnesses £5.5bn in costs.

Again, quicker doesn't mean better and even then, the deals might not happen quicker than in the EU, they could actually take a lot longer.

We could of course always decide to access the single market, but that comes with tariffs and free movement.
You said it came from him but that doesn't make it right. Of course you have to NEGOTIATE not RENEGOTIATE the deals separately. Did you think we would get them all in a room together and do them all at once? You don't have to conclude negotiations for Deal 1 before you start on Deal 2. You can do a lot at the same time.
The EU is notorious for doing deals slowly because all 28 countries want to have their say. Deal started with India in 2009 and they still haven't finished. Discussions with USA started in 1990 and 26 years later they have still not been concluded.
Accessing the single market doesn't come with tariffs.
 
Blimey, there's no fooling you is there?

What gave it away? Was it one of the many times that I said I wasn't making a point? :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm

No! You've made a point!...

It's very rare in life that that unique combination of "qualities" comes together to make the complete arsehole.

But, in your case, you've done it!...

Congratulations!
 
You still haven't proved your point. Why?? Because you don't have one, as usual!..

No! You've made a point!...

It's very rare in life that that unique combination of "qualities" comes together to make the complete arsehole.

But, in your case, you've done it!...

Congratulations!

So this point I've made is the one I haven't got.

Thanks for clarifying your position. :emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl::emoticon-0140-rofl:
 
You said it came from him but that doesn't make it right. Of course you have to NEGOTIATE not RENEGOTIATE the deals separately. Did you think we would get them all in a room together and do them all at once? You don't have to conclude negotiations for Deal 1 before you start on Deal 2. You can do a lot at the same time.
The EU is notorious for doing deals slowly because all 28 countries want to have their say. Deal started with India in 2009 and they still haven't finished. Discussions with USA started in 1990 and 26 years later they have still not been concluded.
Accessing the single market doesn't come with tariffs.

Name a European country that has a free trade agreement with the EU and doesn't either have free movement or pay a fee for the privilege
 
Losing passporting will have a two way effect. UK businesses will use their branches in the EU. EU businesses will use their branches in the UK. UK businesses will be able to do business with the rest of the world. EU trade and UK trade should be looked at in absolute numbers not percentages.Why should extra taxes go on supporting the poor and propping up the economy. Theresa May and Philip Hammond will ensure the UK is a low tax low benefit economy. Gone are the days of people spending their lives not bothering to work.
There's no guarantee that the EU will allow UK managers to manage funds domiciled within the EU without either adding onerous rules or insisting that they're managed by people domiciled in the same country as the funds.

The reason trade is being spoken about in percentages is to show the impact of exactly how much of our export trade is done with the EU bloc. The simple fact is that we need them more than they need us as we're far more reliant on their market as a total of our trade than the collective EU is on the UK. No amount of your desire to brush that unpalletable fact under the rug will change the simple reality of it.

The rest of that post is bereft of any form of economic understanding
 
Losing passporting will have a two way effect. UK businesses will use their branches in the EU. EU businesses will use their branches in the UK. UK businesses will be able to do business with the rest of the world. EU trade and UK trade should be looked at in absolute numbers not percentages.Why should extra taxes go on supporting the poor and propping up the economy. Theresa May and Philip Hammond will ensure the UK is a low tax low benefit economy. Gone are the days of people spending their lives not bothering to work.

They were right, you are deluded if you think losing banking trade for 500 million people is compensated by the banking trade for 65 million. The daftest thing about this proposal is that European banks already have bases in London for UK trade so the idea they would need to move more staff is an invention.
 
Yes, maybe I should have said, finally made a point!...

Perhaps you should have just discussed the topic, rather than trying to compete. I'm not remotely interested in competing, it just makes things dull and reduces it to snide personal comments.

Let it go. Move on.
 
Switzerland? as they have just stopped free movement (limited)
Nope. Switzerland has free movement. They had a referendum in 2014 on limiting the number of EU immigrants which is due to come into effect in 2017, but the EU have told them that if implement it then they'll be in breach of their bilateral agreements and they'll suspend them.
 
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