Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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Tobes said:
I've just told you, I employ a number of apprentices, all of whom get top quality apprenticeship training including block college release funded by us.

I seldom get more than 4 applicants per position.

I also have 3 kids, 2 of whom have graduated and the 3rd is still at Uni. My eldest also has a masters in a specific area, but couldn't find work in that field, so had to spend a further 2 years training to get into the mainstream of that profession, and is currently working her way up to the level where her qualifications will eventually hopefully pay off. My lad is currently spending his summer working on a chicken farm to get some cash in the bank for when he goes back to Uni in Sept. He spent the first 2 weeks of his summer holidays 'door knocking' to try and find work, he got a week labouring, a week covering in a bar, and now a 3 month job on a farm. There's plenty out there, you just have to go and find it.
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My eldest lass has just been travelling for 3 months Thailand-Cambodia-Viet Nam-Java-Bali she finished her Master's at Leeds Uni but decided to travel the world first before looking for a career - to fund her travels she didn't come to dad - she temped (indeed she worked at a fashion house in Leeds during her MA year) she made such a good impression working for a marketing agency whilst temping that the guy running it took her onto the books for the month before she went travelling and told her that there might well be a full time job when she came back - she's now working full time having started last week. - I was more impressed that she actually came home still in funds. She's currently commuting from her mum's into London but her and two mates are looking to get a flat together in London. I'm proud that she is so self-sufficient and motivated to find her own way.

Perhaps it's in her blood - my grandmother was a fierce Lancastrian who moved to Leicester because that's where the majority of her childtren had ended up. My youngest Uncle was in the army at the time and was on manoeuvres in Germany when the effects of a brain tumour left him partially paralysed - he was only 21 - he came to live with my grandmother who would not let him sign on the dole under any circumstances because it went against her principles - the men in the family had always worked - my grandfather had been a 'setter' in a brick factory - so my Uncle had his army pension but went to work in a Leicester factory as soon as he had recovered enough to be able to walk with the aid of a stick. He never took a penny in unemployment benefit.

This country could do with more of my grandmother's attitude <laugh> IMHO - you pay your own way if you can - the welfare state was never meant to be a lifestyle choice - it was meant to be a temporary support for working men in between jobs and families fallen on hard times. I have immense respect for anybody that tries to work to earn a living - I don't have much for physically able men or women who consider some jobs beneath them.
 
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FosseFilberto said:
My eldest lass has just been travelling for 3 months Thailand-Cambodia-Viet Nam-Java-Bali she finished her Master's at Leeds Uni but decided to travel the world first before looking for a career - to fund her travels she didn't come to dad - she temped (indeed she worked at a fashion house in Leeds during her MA year) she made such a good impression working for a marketing agency whilst temping that the guy running it took her onto the books for the month before she went travelling and told her that there might well be a full time job when she came back - she's now working full time having started last week. - I was more impressed that she actually came home still in funds. She's currently commuting from her mum's into London but her and two mates are looking to get a flat together in London. I'm proud that she is so self-sufficient and motivated to find her own way.

Perhaps it's in her blood - my grandmother was a fierce Lancastrian who moved to Leicester because that's where the majority of her childtren had ended up. My youngest Uncle was in the army at the time and was on manoeuvres in Germany when the effects of a brain tumour left him partially paralysed - he was only 21 - he came to live with my grandmother who would not let him sign on the dole under any circumstances because it went against her principles - the men in the family had always worked - my grandfather had been a 'setter' in a brick factory - so my Uncle had his army pension but went to work in a Leicester factory as soon as he had recovered enough to be able to walk with the aid of a stick. He never took a penny in unemployment benefit.

This country could do with more of my grandmother's attitude <laugh> IMHO - you pay your own way if you can - the welfare state was never meant to be a lifestyle choice - it was meant to be a temporary support for working men in between jobs and families fallen on hard times. I have immense respect for anybody that tries to work to earn a living - I don't have much for physically able men or women who consider some jobs beneath them.
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I wouldn't disagree that people need to accept their own responsibility, and that some people do manage despite the system.

However, I'd say a few examples of people getting by, albeit with temp and part time work, doesn't actually alter the basis of my argument.
 
After reading the last 5 pages of this thread...... do you all agree the country needs to get rid of all
the do gooding know nothing ponces that seemed to have grown massively in number over the last
30 years.
 
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