Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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NowsufferinginSpain said:
Just seeing that weasel, Gove, on the box. I've turned it off as I've just splashed out on a new all singing, all dancing Samsung - and I'm tempted to put by boot straight through it.....<grr>
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He's a hideous ****.

Albeit stiffing Boris after standing side by side with him for months, was extremely funny.
 
Son of Stan said:
The American Ambassador to the UK is a fairly central figure in the Transatlantic trade relationship! <laugh>

The Ambassador is also always a very close ally and confidante of the President. Appointments to London, Paris and Rome are seen as rewards for supporting the President's election campaign. Sometimes the elected Ambassadors have little to no diplomacy experience but have been so crucial to getting the President into the White House that it is overlooked.

Pete may have a better insight than the Ambassador though.
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Meanwhile in congress.....

https://heatst.com/uk/us-uk-trade-bill-in-congress-just-one-week-after-brexit-vote/
 
petersaxton said:
Buying goods and services is "hugely convoluted"? Why do companies use call centres in Asia when there's plenty of call centres nearer? There certainly seems an appetite to go down that route. I don't think you are giving businesses enough credit for being able to do relatively straightforward activities. If consumers want to buy cars from outside the EU rather than Germany they dont have to go hunting around for individual cars. A business will buy thousands of cars, ship them over and sell them to retailers. It might be a shocking prospect to you but plenty of businesses do this sort of thing all the tiume.
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Yes, in the context that you were proposing where we buy nothing from the EU and get it all from the rest of the world, that would be a hugely convoluted process.
 
@pieguts @Fez if you're still around do you know enough to answer this? One of the 4 conditions of the Common Market is freedom of movement. The question is do we want to be in the common market? I remember Boris and Gove saying it was still possible? Is it?... and is it worth the hassle? (that's an important factor because I don't know if it is worth it). If it's not what we want or is not important, then freedom of movement is not an issue as we can decide that and look at trade through other routes. But if we do want to join it, then that depends on whether the EU bods are willing to put aside the strict conditions and waive that one condition for us. From what they said last Thursday their position atm sounds unanimous that they won't. Which route in particular will the next government/PM take?
 
Son of Stan said:
Did you read beyond the headline Custard? Given the source of the article I assume it was a quick google and a short spurt when you thought you'd found something positive.

2 Republican Senators put forward a Bill.

It may take a while for it to be passed...
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Indeed, but more credible than an ambassador of a leaving president (who the yanks hate)
 
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PISKIE said:
Yes, in the context that you were proposing where we buy nothing from the EU and get it all from the rest of the world, that would be a hugely convoluted process.
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I never said we couldn't buy anything from the EU. If the EU don't want to sell to us then obviously we would have to buy from elsewhere. I dont see anything wrong with buying and selling with the EU. I don't see why freedom of movement has to come into it.
 
HRH Custard VC said:
Indeed, but more credible than an ambassador of a leaving president (who the yanks hate)
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It will become credible if Trump becomes President, until then it's as meaningful as the petition for a second referendum.

Of course if Trump becomes President then trade deals will be a minor thing for any of us to worry about.
 
brb said:
It was an uneven playing field for British workers, some jobs being done are not for modest wages, but are still large wages as you said in their native countries add to that some jobs were purposely targeting migrant workers, it was not that British workers would not do some of those jobs, that is a misperception created by the media, some of those jobs were advertised abroad, it was only the public facing jobs that were offered to British workers, any Brits that went for the employed migrant jobs were not even given an interview, and British field workers were laid off and replaced by migrant workers. The only area I can think of that migrant workers actually deserved the role more than their British counterparts was in catering but then again when you look at the hours and wage involved, it was more enticing for migrant workers.
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According to the employer that I was listening to in the interview on Radio 4, he said that all of their jobs were offered to British workers, but he couldn't get any of them to do it on the wages that were being offered, so he uses migrant workers instead. From his perspective it was a simple economic equation.
 
PISKIE said:
According to the employer that I was listening to in the interview on Radio 4, he said that all of their jobs were offered to British workers, but he couldn't get any of them to do it on the wages that were being offered, so he uses migrant workers instead. From his perspective it was a simple economic equation.
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Thats been going on for years, lots of East Euros working the fields near me, because the wages are low for the effort needed.
This is where the gov must be tough on the unemployed. work the fields or nothing.
 
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PISKIE said:
According to the employer that I was listening to in the interview on Radio 4, he said that all of their jobs were offered to British workers, but he couldn't get any of them to do it on the wages that were being offered, so he uses migrant workers instead. From his perspective it was a simple economic equation.
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That's why there's a problem. Migrant workers can earn a lot more in the UK than in their home countries but British people can receive enough in benefits for not working to not want to get a job.
 
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