Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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So what is so terrible about not having freedom of movement? It would appear the the EU can accept no freedom of movement and the UK will insist on no freedom of movement. They will move on to discuss the rest of the deal.

If you say so......we've been through this at least a dozen times. It's getting very boring!...
 
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From what Gove and Johnson implied after the referendum it may still be possible to be part of it? In some form, I get the feeling they believe it's still possible, maybe through quotas because the term "controlling immigration" won't necessarily mean "reducing immigration" and whether there's a way around it where we get certain amount of access to it e.g. certain amount without tariffs in exchange for x amount immigration quota etc. Or otherwise will it be separate agreements completely outside of the common market.
I can't see a UK government accepting the same levels of immigration when a majority of the country thinks there's too much immigration.
 
So what is so terrible about not having freedom of movement? It would appear the the EU can accept no freedom of movement and the UK will insist on no freedom of movement. They will move on to discuss the rest of the deal.
Why will they just move on and forget about it?

You're taking it as a given that the EU will concede this point and still continue with a free trade agreement.
 
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She also voted against the civil rights act.

I don't believe Trump needs any introduction. We all know what that clown is about.

No matter which one wins, the USA is going to have a terrible president. I suppose Hilary is the lesser of the two evils, though.
When did they last have a good one?

When it comes to voting, the yanks are as thick as the uk remainers, but fortunately those with common sense and at least a modicum of intelligence outnumber the likes of the remain voters :)
 
I can't see a UK government accepting the same levels of immigration when a majority of the country thinks there's too much immigration.
When did we have a vote on who thinks there's too much immigration?

I must have missed that one.........
 
And that proves what? It's just what any ****ing lawyer does. They're there to 'advocate' their clients version of events, not to judge who's guilty and who's not!

If lawyers only took on people they were sure were innocent, there'd be a lot of guilty people without representation!
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2006/jan/07/workandcareers.careers4
"There is a huge difference between knowing someone is guilty and suspecting or believing they're guilty. We work under extremely strict rules of ethics and we're subject to the law. It's obviously unethical and illegal for a lawyer to deceive a court knowingly. If my client tells me he's guilty, I can't say he's innocent in court."
 
Yep no WW3, no emergency budget, no "immediate" tanking of the economy....shall I go on?

Wooo lets celebrate - lost triple AAA credit rating, devaluation of pound, imports more expensive, shrinking of economy, £250bn needed to be pumped in by Bank of England to stabalise at this level, Article 50 delayed, even more spending cuts and tax hikes forecast. Woo lets party!
 
Our financial services sector accounts for 30% of the total market within the EU.

We need them more than they need us, it's a straightforward fact mate 44% > 14%
I'm not going against that, I can't, it's fact.

It was never going to be plain sailing with everything dropping in our favour. We now need to renegotiate and get the best deals we can.

I'll also be honest, I'm trying my best to answer this question but I'm very weak in this area. Sorry <laugh>
And that proves what? It's just what any ****ing lawyer does. They're there to 'advocate' their clients version of events, not to judge who's guilty and who's not!

If lawyers only took on people they were sure were innocent, there'd be a lot of guilty people without representation!
If you want to defend a *****phile sympathiser, that's your prerogative <ok>
 
@pieguts @Fez if you're still around do you know enough to answer this? One of the 4 conditions of the Common Market is freedom of movement. The question is do we want to be in the common market? I remember Boris and Gove saying it was still possible? Is it?... and is it worth the hassle? (that's an important factor because I don't know if it is worth it). If it's not what we want or is not important, then freedom of movement is not an issue as we can decide that and look at trade through other routes. But if we do want to join it, then that depends on whether the EU bods are willing to put aside the strict conditions and waive that one condition for us. From what they said last Thursday their position atm sounds unanimous that they won't. Which route in particular will the next government/PM take?

I'm not sure if this is a post designed to ridicule, as I let my heart rule my head with a previous answer to "one of your questions".
Before I try to answer your question, let me reiterate my stance. I am not anti immigration. I believe that we need to have a flexible workforce to manage and enhance our economy, in the same way, as perhaps, the Mediterranean countries have a flexible workforce to manage tourism. My issue is that I believe that the UK should dictate those levels, I would suggest by introducing measures that don't make the UK as generous with what it provides, in terms of benefits (either directly or indirectly), rather than having those levels dictated by the EU.
Now to try to answer your question...I'm really not sure whether I want to be in the common market as is now, therefore free movement is probably not really an issue. I want to be part of a common market that uses its collective strength to benefit all of its members, but I don't see that now. We still pay more for our goods and services than any other European country.
If we can get to the point where we are truly trading just goods and services, not being part of some federal superstate, and free movement was the only issue from stopping this happening then I would not be against this.
 
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And that proves what? It's just what any ****ing lawyer does. They're there to 'advocate' their clients version of events, not to judge who's guilty and who's not!

If lawyers only took on people they were sure were innocent, there'd be a lot of guilty people without representation!

I see what you're saying but there's something distasteful about the way she says that AFTER the case has been done and dusted.

There's a film called Reversal of Fortune, not sure if you've seen it mate. At the end the lawyer turns around to the rather odious bloke he's just got off, and says "Legally, this was an important victory... morally you're on your own."

She has a job to do, but the scoffing at the end suggests that she doesn't detach her job from her moral compass.
 
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From what Gove and Johnson implied after the referendum it may still be possible to be part of it? In some form, I get the feeling they believe it's still possible, maybe through quotas because the term "controlling immigration" won't necessarily mean "reducing immigration" and whether there's a way around it where we get certain amount of access to it e.g. certain amount without tariffs in exchange for x amount immigration quota etc. Or otherwise will it be separate agreements completely outside of the common market.
How can they do that? Which sales will be without tariffs and which sales will be with tariffs. We should be trying to simplify things rather than making them more complicated.
 
That's why there's a problem. Migrant workers can earn a lot more in the UK than in their home countries but British people can receive enough in benefits for not working to not want to get a job.

I agree that the benefits system needs an overhaul. As well as some unemployed people getting too much, there are many vulnerable people who don't get enough to have a minimum living standard.
 
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Thats been going on for years, lots of East Euros working the fields near me, because the wages are low for the effort needed.
This is where the gov must be tough on the unemployed. work the fields or nothing.

Well this comes down to the equation of whether people want cheap food. We've had 30 years of cheap stuff thrown at us. The cost is immigrant workers, low wages, chemical sprayed food, dairy farmers going bust etc. If the public want equity in the food market, then the food will cost more.
 
When did they last have a good one?

When it comes to voting, the yanks are as thick as the uk remainers, but fortunately those with common sense and at least a modicum of intelligence outnumber the likes of the remain voters :)
Their voting system is a lot worse than that of the UK. That surely can't help.
 
Wooo lets celebrate - lost triple AAA credit rating, devaluation of pound, imports more expensive, shrinking of economy, £250bn needed to be pumped in by Bank of England to stabalise at this level, Article 50 delayed, even more spending cuts and tax hikes forecast. Woo lets party!

Typical childish response from the "hysterical" remain poster. The point being made is that both sides lied and tried to win the argument by playing dirty. And for your information, I voted remain, I just never believed that whatever the outcome, the end of the world would quickly follow.
 
I agree that the benefits system needs an overhaul. As well as some unemployed people getting too much, there are many vulnerable people who don't get enough to have a minimum living standard.
That's why I think people who can work but don't work should be "encouraged" then it will be easier to spend money on the disabled and other worthy causes.
 
That's why I think people who can work but don't work should be "encouraged" then it will be easier to spend money on the disabled and other worthy causes.

Completely agree with that. The living wage should help to push this too. In the past the benefits system was far more lucrative than working for £6 an hour.
 
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That's why I think people who can work but don't work should be "encouraged" then it will be easier to spend money on the disabled and other worthy causes.
I can't say I'm speaking from experience here, but I would be absolutely staggered if that doesn't already happen..
 
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