Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

I'm not going to call it what I want, I'm going to call it what it is. Bloody hell

And I'm afraid there is another option which you seem to have missed involving the common market which I asked in my original post. Something (in your bullish rants) you keep overlooking lol. Let it go mate, this is tedious for both of us. I will happily wait for someone else to give me a broader insight into those options if you don't mind. I see 3 options and I'd like to know the merits and/or difficulties/obstacles in achieving each of the 3 for our future PM. I shall leave it there

 

Can you just explain yourself better. Why do you limit yourself to saying "page 322" when there are numbers for each post?
Are you referring to post number 6434?

 

I think you have made it clear that you don't know what you are talking about. You are talking about "common market" as if there is only one meaning but there is not.
I have just googled "common market" and it comes up with:

"A common market is a free trade area with relatively free movement of capital and services.
Common market or Common Market may also refer to:
European Economic Community, sometimes referred to as the "Common Market", a regional organisation from 1958 to 1993.
Internal market of the EEC, known as the "EEC Common Market" "

I am thinking you mean none of the above but the specific entity called the "European Economic Area". But I can't be certain because you want to call it the "Common Market".
"Let it go" - what arrogance. You don't know what you are talking about yet you make out I am in the wrong!?

You don't seem to understand that any deal between the UK and the EU doesn't have to be pigeon holed into something else that already exists. It is for the parties to define exactly what their relationship is.

I've set out my views in another post but you don't seem to have taken any notice of it. Instead you have this obsession with "common market" despite this meaning whatever people want it to mean to a certain extent.

 

Yep no WW3, no emergency budget, no "immediate" tanking of the economy....shall I go on?

 

Tried that on a few occasions, but keep coming back with our tail between our legs. The only reason "better deals" are now being muted in the EU, is the fear that it will now implode.

 

What's the last ten years been like whilst in the EU?

 

If Sainsburys bought anything from you, however, they would probably come to your house. It is almost certain that you do not sell to them and your analogy is ridiculous.

 

I agree. You should stay indoors.

 

Have you been barred out of Sainsbury's? You have, haven't you? For shouting at a stack of baked beans probably.

 

They could want my accounting services - not likely given the size - but I doubt either of us would insist on free access to each others property.
The problem is the EU is based on unsound principles. They do want a United States of Europe with centralised government. Many countries only want a loose federation with cooperation. Even now the EU insists that any newcomers adopt the Euro. Two of the major problems the EU has caused is by wanting a single currency among countries of different wealth and freedom of movement among countries of different wealth.
If the EU consisted of the countries that were part of it in 2003 the single currency and freedom of movement would have been manageable. What looks likely to happen is that some of the richest countries will leave the EU and put a bigger burden on the remaining rich countries which is eventually unsustainable.

 

Has anyone said the red line is no freedom of Movement?

 

They might have done but it's like getting blood out of a stone.

 

Reported in The Daily Mail:

'We tried to warn you': US ambassador says Britain IS at the back of the queue for a trans-Atlantic trade deal

The American ambassador to Britain will today warn that Britain’s decision to leave the European Union could have serious economic consequences for the country.

Matthew Barzun will say on BBC Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs that President Obama was right to warn Britain in April that it would end up at ‘the back of queue’ as a result of Brexit.

In an interview recorded after the referendum, Mr Barzun says it is naive to think that the UK could now somehow ‘jump further ahead’ of its trade rivals.

He adds: ‘The tone in which it was said, there was nothing punitive about it.

‘The point was, you are at the front of the queue right now – he was saying back in April – because we are doing this big trade deal with the European Union, of which you are a member.

‘But if you step out of the front of the queue, by definition you are no longer at the front and some notion that you can jump further ahead; you just want to say that is not the trend for the types of big deals we are doing these days.’

 

OK, we shall see, as others have said otherwise.

 

Yeah Mike Reid

 

I wounder how long it will take the yanks to want a deal, when the UK do a deal with China Man and Russia?

Also we/EU dont have a deal with the Fat yanks anyway (TTIP is dead in the water), so what are the UK missing?

 

The American Ambassador to the UK is a fairly central figure in the Transatlantic trade relationship!

The Ambassador is also always a very close ally and confidante of the President. Appointments to London, Paris and Rome are seen as rewards for supporting the President's election campaign. Sometimes the elected Ambassadors have little to no diplomacy experience but have been so crucial to getting the President into the White House that it is overlooked.

Pete may have a better insight than the Ambassador though.

 

So you weren't worried about a deal with the EU as we had the Yanks. Now you're not worried about a deal with the Yanks as we have China and our close ally Russia.

You're going to end up copping off with the ugliest girl at the party Custard.

 

Just seeing that weasel, Gove, on the box. I've turned it off as I've just splashed out on a new all singing, all dancing Samsung - and I'm tempted to put by boot straight through it.....

 

At least I get to go home with one, you will have to make do with your hand