Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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We may not have left yet but we have said we will leave. How many situations are there where you can say you are leaving but it is up to you to say when so your employers are unable to plan for the future.

Very poor analogy.
The bottom line is the EU states MADE the letter of the law that is Article 50, all 20 odd of them.
And now the politniks are bawling like babies because they can be killed by their own sword.
 
Cheers. I believe the biggest culprit in this is the media. The BBC (and others) seem to want to exercise common sense only when it suits them and they just love to bounce the immigration argument until it clouds much more reasoned thinking, like control and authority ownership. Everything I have seen about the NHS funding does not say it would give them exclusive right to this level of funding, but it could have been phrased better to avoid deliberate misinterpretation. I don't believe too many folk voted for all of the wrong reasons, not unless we are talking about the Remainers; I think both camps voted with more than one reason and I believe the media is allowing it to be polarised to justify their ongoing coverage.

The whole EU push for immediate exit triggers (although I accept a softening by AM) is just daft. We have constitutional rights to take a considered approach, which in turn also allows us to maximise the funding we are eligible for in the given allocation window; we would be mad to instigate our intentions now. Labour have internal mayhem and the Tories have internal opportunity - perhaps they both have opportunity, but I think Labours issues are deep and problematic. The Civil Service have a huge role to play in showing the country their contingency planning; we should hope they have done some! We shouldn't get too het up because the financial ****ers picked the wrong horse in a two horse race; they'll get over it, they always do, once shown the error of their collective ways.

Far too much talk about the vote being the outcome of ****wittery, it is the aftermath of accepting the outcome (aye, defeat) that is suffering ****wittery. It has been really disappointing to hear some of our so-called betrayed youth (notice I don't take a broad-brush to them all) try and explain why they feel that way. I think it was the ones with L & R on their wellies.

As I've said many times, but I'll repeat once more here, my primary reason for voting to remain at this time, was the economy. I felt, and still strongly do feel that it's going to suffer. The U.K. had just about dragged itself out of lengthy recession, and now we're going back into it.

This uncertainty will last until our future relationship,with the EU is determined. That isn't going to happen for some time as Cameron has resigned and nobody seem to be too keen to pick up the poison chalice of article 50.

Too many here seem to actually believe that the financial markets are taking this personally. I can very much assure you they are not! Markets don't work that way. The reasons both our currency and our equity markets have nosedived is twofold. One, they believe as I do, that UK will be worse off out of the EU. Second, uncertainty. Markets hate uncertainty.

In short, none of what we're seeing now is good for the UK economy, and that situation is liable to prevail for the foreseeable future.
 
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Yep. It gives them the choice for things like child care during school holidays etc.

It's similar to being self employed.
No it doesn't, it doesn't give them a choice for anything, the employer chooses, not them, it's closer to being at the beck and call of a temping agency, or a 19th century mill owner
 
As I've said many times, but I'll repeat once more here, my primary reason for voting to remain at this time, was the economy. I felt, and still strongly do feel that it's going to suffer. The U.K. had just about dragged itself out of lengthy recession, and now we're going back into it.

This uncertainty will last until our future relationship,with the EU is determined. That isn't going to happen for some time as Cameron has resigned and nobody seem to be too keen to pick up the poison chalice of article 50.

Too many here seem to actually believe that the financial markets are taking this personally. I can very much assure you they are not! Markets don't work that way. The reasons both our currency and our equity markets have nosedived is twofold. One, they believe as I do, that UK will be worse off out of the EU. Second, uncertainty. Markets hate uncertainty.

In short, none of what we're seeing now is good for the UK economy, and that situation is liable to prevail for the foreseeable future.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...ecession-UK-economy-grow-Moody-s-ratings-boss
 
Firstly, I have no idea what sector these people you know work in - tell me who their companies are and what role they played within them?

Secondly, there are no long term reasons to remove jobs from this country due to 'Passporting', January brings in a piece of legislation that enables it regardless of EU membership. Anyone who does lose their job will have full recourse to the wonderful support and opportunities open to those already seeking employment after 40+yrs of European membership - I've lost track of the previous occasions when this enforced job migration have been a threat to our people and their economy. Let's see what actually happens instead of build a dark and foreboding outlook from what-ifs.

I haven't 'had a go' I have questioned your loaded opinion and challenged your facts; as I see them for what they are, inaccurate and loaded by one aspect when many are at play.

I'm afraid you're inaccurate about the passporting issue in regard to the banks. They currently are based in London and market their products to EU investors from London. Once the UK is no longer part of the EU they will then need permission to continue to market in Europe.

As the FT has already shown, some banks have started moving certain operations out of London already.
 
No it doesn't, it doesn't give them a choice for anything, the employer chooses, not them, it's closer to being at the beck and call of a temping agency, or a 19th century mill worker

Some have approached employers and asked to be on a zero hour contract for the reasons I mentioned. A friend had to turn down some good applicants for that reason, as company policy didn't include zero hour contracts.
 
We both have a lot to lose and a lot to gain.
The EU are NOT going to **** up trade negotiations on purpose and do themselves out of billions just because they want to teach the UK a lesson.

Do not put it past their politniks.
Of course, if they did it would once again show their true colours, and be more vindication for the
referendum result.
 
The fact that a lot of people voted leave because they hate immigrants is sad, and pathetic and in that regard, you are right, they didn't do their research, but don't tar all leave voters with the same brush.

I didn't though.
 
Never have much time for Politicians from my default settings.

However I've got a lot of time for Cameron for shafting the Brexiters. ****ing cowards don't know what to do now that you've been told 'your mess, you deal with it'

<rofl> +1 to Cameron.
 
Firstly, I have no idea what sector these people you know work in - tell me who their companies are and what role they played within them?

Secondly, there are no long term reasons to remove jobs from this country due to 'Passporting', January brings in a piece of legislation that enables it regardless of EU membership. Anyone who does lose their job will have full recourse to the wonderful support and opportunities open to those already seeking employment after 40+yrs of European membership - I've lost track of the previous occasions when this enforced job migration have been a threat to our people and their economy. Let's see what actually happens instead of build a dark and foreboding outlook from what-ifs.

I haven't 'had a go' I have questioned your loaded opinion and challenged your facts; as I see them for what they are, inaccurate and loaded by one aspect when many are at play.

What loaded opinion? I asked a question based on facts not "what ifs".
The people I've mentioned work for small businesses in manufacturing who are directly linked to the EU. You choose not to believe it, that's up to you, I know them so I do. There's nothing loaded about that. And I'm only reiterating what the discussions they've had at work about likely redundancies.

Your second paragraph sums up your attitude. Pretty heartless to say the least. I'm sorry you don't se it as a 'we' situation but rather as a 'them and us'.

Btw this has nothing to do with being Remain. That vote is done. Anyone who's seen me posting over the last 3 days knows I've only ever spoken about where we go from here. Together. I appreciate your attitude is different but that's your loaded opinion, not mine.
 
Never have much time for Politicians from my default settings.

However I've got a lot of time for Cameron for shafting the Brexiters. ****ing cowards don't know what to do now that you've been told 'your mess, you deal with it'

<rofl> +1 to Cameron.
I think Boris's head must be spinning.

He was never a genuine Leaver. It was a good platform for him to boost his support outside of London and he would be the valiant, patriotic loser in the referendum which would set him up nicely to take over from Cameron at the next election.

If he really thought they were going to win then he would have had some kind of a post-Brexit plan sketched up.

Cameron has understandably decided to chuck the hand grenade over to Boris, obviously having pulled the pin out first!

His popularity in London is now at an all time low and the rest of the country will always consider him to be a bumbling, pompous, private school twerp.

Still, he can always lean on Michael Gove who was such a ****ing terrible Education Secretary that the Head Teachers passed a vote of no confidence against him!

What a mess!
 
Is that the same Moody's that rated all the mortgage backed bonds AAA and AA+ ??

He knows no more than anybody else. It's his opinion. Mine is that there's a reasonable chance of renewed recession if this drags on.

Could you be so kind as to aid us in knowing whose opinions in the financial sector should
rank highest (a 'moron map' if you will) so we can believe them more ??
 
Do not put it past their politniks.
Of course, if they did it would once again show their true colours, and be more vindication for the
referendum result.
Indeed.
But these folk don't like anything that will negatively impact their wallets (hence the push to remain in the first place).
Its something they are just going to have to grin and bear I am afraid.
If the EU holds off on trade with the UK and ****s themselves out of billions, expect many more countries to be holding referendums in the near future.
 
Could you be so kind as to aid us in knowing whose opinions in the financial sector should
rank highest (a 'moron map' if you will) so we can believe them more ??
none, they are akin to tipsters at a racecourse, I would've thought the global crash of 2008 would've made everyone else realise that.
 
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