Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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Big Ern said:
really? people like the 'choice' of not knowing if they'll be earning any money that week do they? Much like the mill workers of the 19th century did?
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Yep. It gives them the choice for things like child care during school holidays etc.

It's similar to being self employed.
 
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“I think we’re going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently. I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us."

Thoughts?
 
Son of Stan said:
“I think we’re going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently. I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us."

Thoughts?
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Not going to happen, political suicide, thats why the Tories are very careful with the NHS and not to kill it off
 
Tobes said:
The EU isn't ****ed at all.

The Eurozone is what the prime issue is. The basic premise of tying together disparate economies with one single currency was always going to fail in the long term.

I can see the Eurozone either contracting or being canned at some point down the track.

However, the EU is primarily a trading block, to remove ourselves from it unilaterally is economic suicide. We should have remained within the EU as a non Eurozone country and continued to press for reform from within. We're now on the outside looking in, there's complete delusion about how eager the EU are going to be to bend over backwards for the UK to get some form on 'special' treatment in terms of our trade agreements. It's simply not going to happen.

We face the prospect of either paying huge tariffs (way beyond our net contribution to the EU) or having free movement of people which completely downs the reason that many voted out.

I find it utterly incredible that these straightforward realities are only now being absorbed by the populous, and the blame for that lies with an awful Remain campaign combined with a complete lack of thought and research by many of the Out voters.
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No offence, but your opinion is highly biased, and quite frankly, utter bullshit.
The EU have just as much to lose as the UK by stalling on a Trade deal out of some ridiculous, misplaced spite.
The sentence in your post that i highlighted is spot on though, we will need to keep the free movement of people in order to avoid tariffs, which is what I was trying to say. The only way we will ever completely "control our borders" is if we do not trade with Europe, and thats out of the question.
But thats definitely NOT the reason we should have left the EU.
It is ****ed, however much you protest otherwise. The Eurozone is just one reason why. What kind of economic fall out will happen because of that? It will pale in comparison to our little exit.
20 countries all being without a currency all of a sudden = mass chaos.

The EU's ultimate goals do not mesh with the UK's. The **** they want to pull off is beyond insidious and downright criminal, akin to a global political coup.
Globalism is bullshit and will never work,
The fact that you don't want to see that, or don't care, so you can continue flogging passports to Europeans and claim that "leavers" haven't done their research is hilarious.
Any Economic fall out from this bullshit, however severe, is a million per cent worth it, in the grand scheme.

I should also add, that if your business IS dependant on free movement, you won't have much to worry about.
 
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Son of Stan said:
“I think we’re going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently. ... Thoughts?
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The issues are the same as they have always been (does tax revenue pay for the standard of service the
electorate believes it should have, is every pound given a pound wisely spent - and if not which mixture of
service/function allocation to public/private sector entities will maintain/improve the standard while
freezing/reducing costs, the 'credit/reward without responsibility/cost' executives culture etc) .
 
Bodanki said:
No offence, but your opinion is highly biased, and quite frankly, utter bullshit.
The EU have just as much to lose as the UK by stalling on a Trade deal out of some ridiculous, misplaced spite.
The sentence in your post that i highlighted is spot on though, we will need to keep the free movement of people in order to avoid tariffs, which is what I was trying to say. The only way we will ever completely "control our borders" is if we do not trade with Europe, and thats out of the question.
But thats definitely NOT the reason we should have left the EU.
It is ****ed, however much you protest otherwise. The Eurozone is just one reason why. What kind of economic fall out will happen because of that? It will pale in comparison to our little exit.
20 countries all being without a currency all of a sudden = mass chaos.
The fact that you don't want to see that, or don't care, so you can continue flogging passports to Europeans and claim that "leavers" haven't done their research is hilarious.
Any Economic fall out from this bullshit, however severe, is a million per cent worth it, in the grand scheme.
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We export 50% of our goods to the EU - the EU exports 14% of it's goods to the EU, so who's got the most to gain and lose here?

In any case, where has anyone ever suggested that there'd be a refusal to trade or agree a new deal - it's the terms that's the issue, and you've agreed with me anyway, so I'm not sure what you're labelling as 'bullshit'?

If the Eurozone was dismantled (or reduced) then it'd be done in a controlled manner and we have no liability for the Eurozone anyway so what's your point?

As for the second sentence I've highlighted - you gullible ****ing idiot <laugh>
 
The RDBD said:
The issues are the same as they have always been (does tax revenue pay for the standard of service the
electorate believes it should have, is every pound given a pound wisely spent - and if not which mixture of
service/function allocation to public/private sector entities will maintain/improve the standard while
freezing/reducing costs, the 'credit/reward without responsibility/cost' executives culture etc) .
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Don't disagree.

The man of the people wants to scrap the NHS though. Man of the people?
 
Bodanki said:
HAHA I am not saying its not connected.
What I am saying is that investors are causing the stock market to fall on purpose to make Brexit look worse than it is.

Its nothing else.
We are still in the EU, just as we were last week, so how else do you account for it?
We haven't even handed in our EU resignation yet (Article 50).
So the stock market falling "because we have left the EU" is bollocks, because we haven't.....yet.
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We may not have left yet but we have said we will leave. How many situations are there where you can say you are leaving but it is up to you to say when so your employers are unable to plan for the future. Are we waiting to discover gold and diamonds under a national park to bring the pound back up. Would be funny if they were found in Greece or Spain though.
 
Tobes said:
We export 50% of our goods to the EU - the EU exports 14% of it's goods to the EU, so who's got the most to gain and lose here?

In any case, where has anyone ever suggested that there'd be a refusal to trade or agree a new deal - it's the terms that's the issue, and you've agreed with me anyway, so I'm not sure what you're labelling as 'bullshit'?

If the Eurozone was dismantled (or reduced) then it'd be done in a controlled manner and we have no liability for the Eurozone anyway so what's your point?

As for the second sentence I've highlighted - you gullible ****ing idiot <laugh>
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We both have a lot to lose and a lot to gain.
The EU are NOT going to **** up trade negotiations on purpose and do themselves out of billions just because they want to teach the UK a lesson.

As for the passport thing <laugh>
Dude it was 5am when someone said that lol.
Whats bullshit is that the EU isn't ****ed, when it most certainly is, you think others will not follow suit now?

The fact that a lot of people voted leave because they hate immigrants is sad, and pathetic and in that regard, you are right, they didn't do their research, but don't tar all leave voters with the same brush.
 
HRH Custard VC said:
What NF was on about am I getting mixed up with what you are on about?
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Farage wants to scrap the NHS. He said so in 2012 but video came out in 2014. He was told by the party to drop it as a policy but reiterated it in 2015.

That's how much he gives a **** about the majority.
 
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