Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?
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Exactly! But matey from Hull will try to argue black is white. And when he's clearly shown that it's not, he'll deflect, obfuscate, try to ridicule, insult you, etc.
Anything but admit that he might be wrong and that you might have a point!...
And yet, the independent study by the Joseph Rowntree trust says you're talking bollocks.
... hmm have you actually read it? ... show me where the foundation actually asks what it was from the campaigns that actually persuaded them to vote as they did? .. the reality is that the Foundation has simply queried a selection of the populace on their thoughts about poverty in the UK (the Foundation's prime focus per se)... you are trying to interpret that as a wider study on why people voted for Brexit ... complete bollocks ...
If the foundation went to Scotland and asked the very same questions of a population sample that voted almost universally to remain they would come out with virtually the same answer on all questions ... other than the 'do you feel more optimistic now that we have left' based ones ...e.g
.. do you feel your local area doesn’t get its fair share of Britain’s economic success?
.. do you believe that national government does not listen to yourr concerns?
... do you believe wealth in the UK is not fairly distributed, and that you do not personally benefit from economic growth in the UK?
... you have spun this particular study to such extremes that it is in danger of disappearing up Barmpot Boulevard along with your credibility ...
... hmm have you actually read it? ... show me where the foundation actually asks what it was from the campaigns that actually persuaded them to vote as they did? .. the reality is that the Foundation has simply queried a selection of the populace on their thoughts about poverty in the UK (the Foundation's prime focus per se)... you are trying to interpret that as a wider study on why people voted for Brexit ... complete bollocks ...
If the foundation went to Scotland and asked the very same questions of a population sample that voted almost universally to remain they would come out with virtually the same answer on all questions ... other than the 'do you feel more optimistic now that we have left' based ones ...e.g
.. do you feel your local area doesn’t get its fair share of Britain’s economic success?
.. do you believe that national government does not listen to yourr concerns?
... do you believe wealth in the UK is not fairly distributed, and that you do not personally benefit from economic growth in the UK?
... you have spun this particular study to such extremes that it is in danger of disappearing up Barmpot Boulevard along with your credibility ...
I've spun **** all. I've expressed a view, and backed it with links.
All you've done is whine "it's not fair" and made spurious claims that you can't support.
Sorry but Cameron also spouted that leaving, could lead to WW3! Frankly, that's all I heard all the way through, lies and bullshit.
The fact of the matter is that the remain party went in with ONE policy (for want of a better word) and that was the economy. When it became clear that this wasn't working, despite wheeling out every economist to support the message, they had nothing left.
If you feel angry and frustrated, you should be directing that at the remain campaigners. They are the ones whose arrogance lost the referendum.
I'll be careful how I reply, because you're a tad sensitive, but the fact you seem stuck on an argument that was done pre-election, seems to point to realising the rest of your arguments are, and I'll be generous, weak.
I don't think it does. One is asking why people chose to vote leave, while the other is comparing opinion on a range of topics and reporting how the perception of leave/ Remain voters differ.Rowntree trust says different. Ashcroft has Boris as next PM.
A desire to take back control of legislation is not incongruous with feeling disenchanted and isolated by the current system.
I'd have to partially agree.
Immigration a la Farage was allowed to take centre stage by the remain side.
The economy, however, will suffer from this result. The only open question is how much...
... I've just quoted the Gospel according to Rowntree
in my last post ... you seem to be miffed that I've just pointed out that the Foundation has merely produced another one of it's survey around UK poverty using a sample of Brexit voters instead of an in-depth review of why people actually voted as they did ... which you have tried (and failed) to dress it up as ..never mind ... suck on this to cool down
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You haven't even got an argument, matey. You spout nothing but your twisted interpretations of facts and actual events!...
It doesn't support Flossies ridiculous claim, which was "the referundum was ultimately decided on a mixture of celebrity, scaremongering, false promises and xenophobia ."
You crack on whining and blubbing about things that are no longer relevant.
You crack on whining and blubbing about things that are no longer relevant.
You're partially right. You're completely irrelevant, for instance!...
... I've just quoted the Gospel according to Rowntree
never mind ... suck on this to cool down
You're trying to jump over replies there flossy Your initial claim was "the referundum was ultimately decided on a mixture of celebrity, scaremongering, false promises and xenophobia ."
Your words don't support that. You need to avoid those sugar sticks, it seems to be giving you a rush.
You really should avoid trying for banter. Just stick to blubbing and whining, it's more your forte.
This does ..
https://www.politicshome.com/news/e...0m-claim-potentially-misleading-says-watchdog
... far more than your arse spinning attempt to make UK poverty level concers the rationale behind why people actually voted to leave ...
I've heard you say this quite often and I disagree. Although the economy was a big part of the argument (which is proving true, especially for the poorer regions), there was also the social protections offered by the EU Social Charter - which I still don't think people fully appreciate the significance of the threat of losing it. There's the huge uncertainty we've plunged ourselves into. And of course, whichever way you want to look at it and argue about it, the EU has brought peace to main parts of Europe for over 50 years - the longest stretch we've ever had!
I totally agree that the Remain campaign was shocking, and instead of relying on the facts and talking to people as rational people they tried to match the Leave 'Project Fear' and kept pumping out propaganda to counter propaganda, and all they succeeded in doing was turned people off, they failed to engage, they slagged people off. It was awful. Cameron thought he could bully and scare people into doing what he wanted - as he did with the Scottish referendum.
The problem is of course that Leave went in with No Plan, a handful of lies - Immigration - a lie, £350m a week - a lie, more money for NHS - a lie, and as soon as they won, the architects, instead of putting a plan forward to sort out the mess, they all just ran and hid.
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