Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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PISKIE said:
I think in the end what the uk and eu will get is a compromised deal on both sides. It won't be a full brexit, it will be a mixture of agreements that both sides probably don't fully support 100% but will have to accept to make it work.
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It will be a full exit, thats a guarantee (forget the legal crap, it means nothing,)
A deal will be struck or the UK will just go to WTO tariffs that would suit the UK more.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
It was people of colour making the claim and others backing it. <ok>
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There are over 3 Million French people who are Arabic or African, and that's just France and each and every one of them can just pop over when every they feel like it and set up home along whith the rest of France.

Anyway I'm not getting into it. That's my last post on here today I value my already fragile sanity.
 
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Smirnoffpriest said:
Another leader down - should make the negotiations a lot easier if he's not causing trouble (assuming he gives up his MEP expenses and salary as well). At least at the start of this week there's a bit of good news to go with the huge amount of awfulness last week.
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He's staying as an MEP. The leader of his party and his position as an MEP are two different things.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I was reading up on all this early this morning and here's a possible scenario. It's only a scenario, not a fact, or even my own feeling of conviction, just something that's theoretically possible.

From what I read, the UK can delay invoking article 50 for as long as it likes. The EU won't like it, but there's nothing they can do to force it. What they can do is appoint a committee of representatives of the remaining members to begin negotiating Brexit terms without the UK. The U.K. could then ask to join those talks to help with negotiations, an offer which may well be accepted.

Assuming terms are argued over and finally agreed. The U.K. having extracted the best possible deal it could from the EU. Now, here comes the bit that is pure supposition and the leavers won't like.

Having negotiated the terms - bearing in mind this would be at least 2 years down the road - the UK Gvt then in power proposes another referendum on the terms of Brexit. Effectively saying to the people, ' OK, this is the best deal we can get from the EU. Neither side is going to move any further' 'Given where the economy is now, what trade deals have been negotiated elsewhere, and the final terms we have negotiated with the EU, do you want parliament to now invoke article 50 immediately? Or not?

Yes, I know that another referendum is being ruled out, at the moment. But bearing in mind this would be some way down the road and feelings may be different.

As I say, purely a scenario. But the longer parliament delays invoking article 50, you begin to wonder what the long game is!
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Your scenario is not going to happen.
There's no need to wonder. It is sensible to wait until we have a new Prime Minister before article 50 is invoked.
 
petersaxton said:
He's staying as an MEP. The leader of his party and his position as an MEP are two different things.
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Of course he is, he does eff all work (besides insulting people) while claiming huge amounts of expenses (someone said UKIP had one of the highest amounts of expense claims for all of MEPs) and a cushy salary for 2 years...
 
Smirnoffpriest said:
Of course he is, he does eff all work (besides insulting people) while claiming huge amounts of expenses (someone said UKIP had one of the highest amounts of expense claims for all of MEPs) and a cushy salary for 2 years...
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So why did you assume he's going to resign as an MEP but now say "of course he is" when it is pointed out he's staying as an MEP?
 
HRH Custard VC said:
Government had said Brexit will happen, all the MPs aiming for PM have said it will happen.

The law firm trying to challenge it are just wasting time and money.
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They're not challenging the result, they're challenging the legal process of how it should be actioned you dolt.

Not that it's going to take much of a challenge, as they're right. Any repeal will have to go through parliament and be voted on, the same as any other proposed piece of legislation. The fact that we had an opinion poll the other week doesn't alter the legal process of Parliament.
 
HRH Custard VC said:
Government had said Brexit will happen, all the MPs aiming for PM have said it will happen.

The law firm trying to challenge it are just wasting time and money.
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I suspect what will happen will be a compromise. The UK will leave the EU in name, but we'll still end up trading, paying into and accepting immigration from the EU. What will change is that we will no longer have a seat at the table and we won't be able to influence EU policy.
 
Tobes said:
Because it's not discriminatory <doh>

The EU freedom of movement doesn't discriminate against any colour or creed. The fact that Europe is primarily historically white is **** all to do with it.

The EU doesn't extend to Africa or the sub continent, it's an absolutely ridiculous argument.

None of which backs your claim that Remain was the racist vote - your words.

And that some Remain voters did so because they didn't want more no EU migrants arriving - your words.

You can provide **** all to back up such idiocy, as it's nothing but a figment of your warped imagination.
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Apart from the bits I did offer to support it, and the words of those affected.
 
Tobes said:
They're not challenging the result, they're challenging the legal process of how it should be actioned you dolt.

Not that it's going to take much of a challenge, as they're right. Any repeal will have to go through parliament and be voted on, the same as any other proposed piece of legislation. The fact that we had an opinion poll the other week doesn't alter the legal process of Parliament.
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When the government pass the law for the referendum it was said it will active the outcome IN or OUT. MPs voted as such. No need for a debate in parliament now.
 
PISKIE said:
I think in the end what the uk and eu will get is a compromised deal on both sides. It won't be a full brexit, it will be a mixture of agreements that both sides probably don't fully support 100% but will have to accept to make it work
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... double jeopardy ...
 
PISKIE said:
I think in the end what the uk and eu will get is a compromised deal on both sides. It won't be a full brexit, it will be a mixture of agreements that both sides probably don't fully support 100% but will have to accept to make it work
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So you believe we won't invoke article 50, then?
 
PISKIE said:
I suspect what will happen will be a compromise. The UK will leave the EU in name, but we'll still end up trading, paying into and accepting immigration from the EU. What will change is that we will no longer have a seat at the table and we won't be able to influence EU policy.
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Not so sure on migration, a limited amount may be accepted, but not as we know it.
 
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