Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[NSIS]

Is it his principles or a concerted effort by his opponents and the well oiled machine of the media that will never see his party elected.

Don't get me wrong, I think he has perhaps gone too far left at times, even if not on policy, certainly in his tone and delivery. But I'm also a great believer that if you have the courage of your convictions you find a way of getting into power without jettisoning them.

Tbh the more I get into this the more undecided I am about Corbyn's situation. On the one hand I want a Labour party that turns its back on austerity for the most vulnerable and poorest in society, but at the same time everything in the real life political
world tells me his position is untenable. It really is a hard one.

What confounds things even further is there really is **** all other viable candidate.

Pretty much why I gave up voting for a while years ago.

I actually voted for the Monster Raving Loony party once because I felt they had the best policy I'd heard. They said that if they were elected they'd launch an immediate enquiry into why there was only one Monopolies Commission! Brilliant!....

 

[Stan]

Never said for anyone to leave, its just you making bullshit up again.

Took three minutes of scrolling through posts a couple of days after the referendum. Shouldn't be hard to find others similar:

Post 2837

http://www.not606.com/threads/eu-deabte-which-way-are-you-voting.330913/page-142

 

[Treble]

I never said people shouldn't have stopped discussing issues. I think they shouldn't demand a rerun of elections because they dont like the result. It's the politics of the madhouse to just keep having elections or referendums because one side doesn't like the result.
I still don't see why if Labour loses an election means all Labour supporters should become Tories. What I was saying was that if you lose a vote the default position should not be to demand another vote.

Tbf this is a valid point.

But seeing as this is an advisory referendum iirc how would you feel if @Smirnoffpriest and others like him petitioned their MP to vote differently when it goes to parliament? I personally think THIS is where the Remainers efforts should be focused on if they still believe passionately enough about their cause.

Btw I accept I've not researched if it's going to go to parliament for a vote or not.

 

[petersaxton]

Tbf this is a valid point.

But seeing as this is an advisory referendum iirc how would you feel if @Smirnoffpriest and others like him petitioned their MP to vote differently when it goes to parliament? I personally think THIS is where the Remainers efforts should be focused on if they still believe passionately enough about their cause.

Btw I accept I've not researched if it's going to go to parliament for a vote or not.

Of course they can raise the issue with their MP. 99% of MPs will tell them that they respect the vote as will the vast majority of the British people. I would have thought if this was a concern of anybody they would have raised it before the referendum vote. As it is, they seem to be making an issue of it because they lost.

 

[Fez]

Sorry could you rephrase, it's me, but I'm not sure what your asking me.

Do you believe that big issues should split political parties, rather than removing the leader who embodies the hopes and beliefs of those who voted for him?

Sorry, of course, let me come to it differently.

The ideology and approach of Corbyn is, according to the PLP, not considered to be a basis for being elected to power. They believe it is better to persuade him to stand down or depose him so their ambition can have it's way (far from certain). They do this despite knowing that a massive element of their grassroots support strongly support him and his unabashed stance.

When is ambition bigger or more important than principl and political and philosophical integrity?

When does someone say **** it, go away and form a new party of naked ambition and leave a Labour Party that is returning to it's core values?

When is an issue big enough to split a political party?

Any better?

 

[Treble]

Pretty much why I gave up voting for a while years ago.

I actually voted for the Monster Raving Loony party once because I felt they had the best policy I'd heard. They said that if they were elected they'd launch an immediate enquiry
into why there was only one Monopolies Commission! Brilliant!....

The trouble with centerist politics is it breeds extremism under the surface. We really had **** all choice between New Labour and the Tories at one point. You could just about slide a piece of paper between their policies. When that happens democracy turns to **** and arseholes like the BNP and Farage get given a pedestal of unwarranted respectability.

I think someone from a main political party setting an agenda around anti-austerity and renationalisation might be refreshing.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

Took three minutes of scrolling through posts a couple of days after the referendum. Shouldn't be hard to find others similar:

Post 2837

http://www.not606.com/threads/eu-deabte-which-way-are-you-voting.330913/page-142

MAYBE was the world I use, not quite the same is it Racist stan?

Keep looking

 

[Fez]

Isn't campaigning for a second referendum exercising their democratic right or have I missed something here?

It may have a democratic essence, but it is hugely crass. If we apply that thinking to all of our democratic process where would it end. No serious democrat would defend it unless real and damaging fault could be found and it can't. I'm taking my ball home now, **** you!

 

[HRH Custard VC]

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Why did the Inners use the pic on the right for a march?

 

[Treble]

Of course they can raise the issue with their MP. 99% of MPs will tell them that they respect the vote as will the vast majority of the British people. I would have thought if this was a concern of anybody they would have raised it before the
referendum vote. As it is, they seem to be making an issue of it because they lost.

I think it's a little more interesting than that. The tricky situation that's been thrown up is that while the referendum was rightly about the total vote, it wasnt reported through constituencies. For example Birmingham was reported as a whole city. Now imagine that an MP who was on the remain side has a majority of his constituency petitioning him and pressuring him to vote to remain? For this reason I don't think it will be as simple as you suggest. But more importantly, this is where the likes of Smirnoff and the Remain campaign can still use due democratic process through public opinion (if they have it in their constituency) to still effect the parliamentary vote (if there's going to be one?)

 

[Stan]

MAYBE was the world I use, not quite the same is it Racist stan?

Keep looking

If you dont like it, maybe you should go live in another country, as it seems we little Englanders offend you, but I guess our benefits don't.

So, to someone who was born in this country, you said maybe he should consider leaving if he wasn't prepared to accept the little Englander attitude but you suspected he did like the benefits the country (his country) offered.

Very tolerant that Custard. You ****ing dope.

Meme time!

 

[petersaxton]

I think it's a little more interesting than that. The tricky situation that's been thrown up is that while the referendum was rightly about the total vote, it wasnt reported through constituencies. For example Birmingham was reported as a whole city. Now imagine that an MP who was on the remain side has a majority of his constituency petitioning him and pressuring him to vote to remain? For this reason I don't think it will be as simple as you suggest. But more importantly, this is where the likes of Smirnoff and the Remain campaign can still use due democratic process through public opinion (if they have it in their constituency) to still effect the parliamentary vote (if there's going to be one?)

I dont see why the MPs constituency has anything to do with the issue. Parliament decided to have a referendum so the people can decide on the issue and MPs should accept that.

 

[Fez]

It's Catch 22 for Corbyn, in my view. He won't discard his principles, but those principles will never see him or his party elected

Totally agree, but I would add that he was presented with a hugely unexpected opportunity to be heard, to be him, to draw admiration and abuse. He quite rightly took it with both hands; good for him. And I am not a supporter of most of his opinion, but I don't believe life is about absolutes. I wish him well.

 

[Treble]

If you dont like it, maybe you should go live in another country, as it seems we little Englanders offend you, but I guess our benefits don't.

So, to someone who was born in this country, you said maybe he should consider leaving if he wasn't prepared to accept the little Englander attitude but you suspected he did like the benefits the country (his country) offered.

Very tolerant that Custard. You ****ing dope.

Meme time!

I'm sure he was itching to say "go back to your own country". Sadly those first generation darkies of the 70's no longer exist and Spurlock would've pulled him up on it

 

[Treble]

I dont see why the MPs constituency has anything to do with the issue. Parliament decided to have a referendum so the people can decide on the issue and MPs should accept that.

Are they going to debate or vote on it in parliament? I don't know, but I'm sure I've heard it called an advisory referendum. Some calm clarity on this would help.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

If you dont like it, maybe you should go live in another country, as it seems we little Englanders offend you, but I guess our benefits don't.

So, to someone who was born in this country, you said maybe he should consider leaving if he wasn't prepared to accept the little Englander attitude but you suspected he did like the benefits the country (his country) offered.

Very tolerant that Custard. You ****ing dope.

Meme time!

you can read the bold text cant you Racist stan?

It stands for anyone who does not like the UK, if you or anyone does not like the way the UK is run, **** off.

But to you that's racist, because he believes in sky pixies and I dont.

 

[Treble]

Custard's beginning to sound more and more like Blueman with every post

 

[Stan]

you can read the bold text cant you Racist stan?

It stands for anyone who does not like the UK, if you or anyone does not like the way the UK is run, **** off.

But to you that's racist, because he believes in sky pixies and I dont.

So the Little Englanders set the rules and if people don't like them maybe they should **** off.

Very tolerant Custard. You ****ing dope.

 

[Stan]

Custard's beginning to sound more and more like Blueman with every post

I think there was more substance to Blueman.

 

[Treble]

So the Little Englanders set the rules and if people don't like them maybe they should **** off.

Very tolerant Custard. You ****ing dope.

Custard is lying to cover himself. Spurlock wasn't saying about how the country was being run.

What Spurlock actually said was...

"You need to handle all the angles of your vote, not just what interests you...that makes it like your focuses on your own personal issues...a tad selfish, you well grounded little Englander."

To which our resident fascist responded by saying "if you don't like it maybe go live in another country"

Pretty damning. Then denies he ever said it