Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

It doesn't matter how many votes the leave campaign got. The remain campaign is right

 

I understand their concern, but democracy has spoken and they lost, if they had won, I would have accepted it

 

But your telling everyone to accept it - basically to follow that logic then - after the last campaign then all other parties should have stopped campaigning and just accepted Tory ideology because they 'won'. There should have been no disagreements because the Tory's 'won'. In the same way that Leave 'won' so there can be no disagreements afterwards.

Sorry democracy doesn't work like that - we need to campaign to minimise the damage and negatives.

 

No i think that some Remainers are just terrified of the consequences and pissed off that all of the sweeping promises made have all been broken within 72 hours of the referendum!

 

Sir Nigel, actually gave a speech (thinking leave had lost) saying exactly the same thing. I would have done the same. I believe in democracy

 

It'll be as successful as your first campaign

 

Is it his principles or a concerted effort by his opponents and the well oiled machine of the media that will never see his party elected.

Don't get me wrong, I think he has perhaps gone too far left at times, even if not on policy, certainly in his tone and delivery. But I'm also a great believer that if you have the courage of your convictions you find a way of getting into power without jettisoning them.

Tbh the more I get into this the more undecided I am about Corbyn's situation. On the one hand I want a Labour party that turns its back on austerity for the most vulnerable and poorest in society, but at the same time everything in the real life political
world tells me his position is untenable. It really is a hard one.

What confounds things even further is there really is **** all other viable candidate.

 

Who said all the 350M would go to the NHS, I thought only some of it would?

But if the Inners had not come out with the bullshit WW3 would start and an emergency budget etc, you would have won.

 

Just dissolve the Labour party. It's ****

 

Thats happening, I see 2 labour type parties starting

 

That's how the vast majority of the people in the country behave. But the shouty people don't accept that. They will keep shouting and demand more elections in the hope that they will win one eventually.
It's funny in Scotland. The SNP say it's not fair because a majority of people in Scotland voted for the UK to remain in the UK. Somehow the SNP translates that to mean that Scotland voted to remain in the EU. They didn't - they voted for the UK to remain in the EU but they lost.
When Sturgeon is asked whether that means they want another referendum on Scottish independence she back tracks and says that she will ask for that when the time is right. She knows that the Scottish people are worried about who will pay their bills if the rest of the English don't. The EU is never going to accept Scotland into the EU until they can support themselves.

 

The problem with his argument is that working class people also voted to remain. Nobody in this 'debate' holds the "working class" card.

 

I don't know I'm sure I saw it somewhere, maybe on a train somewhere... or was it on a bus?

 

SNP - lost an independence referendum - immediately demanded another referendum.

SNP - lost an 'in out' referendum on the EU - immediately demand another referendum.

****ing fascist twats

 

I never said people shouldn't have stopped discussing issues. I think they shouldn't demand a rerun of elections because they dont like the result. It's the politics of the madhouse to just keep having elections or referendums because one side doesn't like the result.
I still don't see why if Labour loses an election means all Labour supporters should become Tories. What I was saying was that if you lose a vote the default position should not be to demand another vote.

 

It certainly wasn't the government.
And it's the government who will make that decision once we leave the EU.

 

This pic

It does not say 350M to the NHS

 

Name one promise that has been broken.

 

I don't remember all of the non-conservative voters on the streets campaigning for another election. Or did I miss that?

 

Aye, he has certainly struck a chord with very many. I appreciate your reply and humour, I will watch things develop with interest. I will be astonished if Corbyn is ever Prime Minister, but I certainly wouldn't rule out a mini-me in the future. I will admit to finding him a fascinating and intellectually challenging person, although I admit to needing to give him more focus. I will.