whoosh.
What authority is he referring to?
It's simple fact. The referendum was no more than an expression of wishes. Parliament is under no legal obligation to respect it.
Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?
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It's simple fact. The referendum was no more than an expression of wishes. Parliament is under no legal obligation to respect it.
Oi I'm the peacekeeper here. I'm not denying anything.
We have a constitution, but no one can be arsed to jot it down
I'm quoting the article that says the referendum is advisory and not legally binding. Apparently to invoke article 50 a motion has to be put forward to parliament which MPs vote on to decide whether they want to proceed with the process. The article is positing that given the political landscape when it comes to invoking the article, there may not be an appetite for it.
He's simply saying what I & Piskie have just said. That parliament have to agree to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act. If they refuse to do that, which at the moment I admit looks unlikely, then we will remain in the EU.
That's not going to happen. One or two MPs have got over emotional and the vast majority side with democracy.
Okay, I'll explain. Others were saying there is no UK constitution. With that in mind, what authority is the man talking about, and what is his job description?
Format of my choice
It has no format you absolute weapon, as it's largely 'unwritten' and based on convention.
You are still wrong, but you clearly don't understand how it works, so pointless trying to help you further, but I'll try:
here's a general, but brief overview of where we are:
Do you follow?
Some things are changing and we might be at a halfway house:
Just examples, but even you must get the gist of it.
Format of your choice, codified or not codified, which do you prefer?
Pedantics.
A referendum is not a legally binding vote. Stop trying to be a smart arse!
So why did Parliament pass a law to have a referendum?
Why didnt the Act make clear it had no validity?
I think it's because, whether the losers are happy or not, Parliament considers it binding.
The fact that there's various different legal opinions on what needs to happen next post this referendum, with one lawyer referring back to the case of proclamations from 1610, tells you all you need to know about the clarity of our "unwritten" constitution.
Carry on searching for the 'win' though.
Pathetic
At this time, it's highly unlikely that parliament would try to overturn the will of the British people.
All I was trying to point out to Mr Dickhead is that legally they could...
A British man goes to the Doctors
A British man is ill and goes to the doctors. When he gets there he finds David Cameron sat at reception. "Good news sir!", says Cameron, "Today, we're not letting the doctors decide. We're going to let you pick your own medicine". The British man looks bemused. Isn't that why we have doctors in the first place? To use their expertise to pick the right medicine. Sure, some might occasionally be less good, but you can always ask to see another one.
"Don't worry!", says Cameron, "I know this is probably daunting. So I've got lots of information from lots of medical experts. They're going to tell you all about the nasty side effects of taking the wrong medicine". Just then another man pops up from behind reception - Michael Gove. "I wouldn't trust what all of his experts say" says Gove, "he's just trying to scare you".
The man looks bemused. Can't a doctor just tell him what to take? But both Michael Gove and David Cameron tell him this choice is a really good thing.
There's another man in the doctors. He doesn't appear to have a job there, but he's talking loudly and a lot of people seem to be listening. On closer inspection it's Nigel Farage. "I wouldn't trust some of these medicines, they're foreign!". A few people nod and agree. "Back in Victorian times, we used to prescribe good old fashioned leeches. And we had an empire then!". A few more people nod.
The British man looks confused. How do you make a decision on something so complex that you haven't been trained in? He spots a man rushing in - it's Boris Johnson. Boris has heard that there's a possible vacancy for a doctor. "Don't worry everyone, I can guide you through this!", he says. He does a cheery wave to the people waiting, then starts bumbling on using vocabulary that isn't in the normal vernacular. "He sounds clever", someone says, "and a funny, friendly guy too. I think he just wants to help, that must be why he's here". A lot of people start feeling reassured. They decide to follow the advice of Boris, Nigel and Michael. David Cameron tries to make himself heard, but he's muffled by the piles of paper of expert opinion in front of him. The medicine cabinet is almost buckling under the weight.
Boris starts to look worried. People are now looking at him for guidance. "Erm, yes...what Nigel says....leeches....they'll cure you...won't they?". He looks confused. But he's nearly in the doctors place now. He always wanted that. People take the leeches, but the leeches just start sucking their blood. A few of them start to wonder whether they should have listened to the experts after all. "But Boris, Nigel and Michael, they were only trying to help us, right?", one of them says.
Just then, the medicine cabinet topples over, crushing Cameron. "That's such a shame" say Boris and Michael, "he was a good man. And all he wanted to do was give you a choice. For you. To help you. But we'll help you now.". But people start to get more sick. "The leeches, Nigel. You said they'd make us better, right". "Oh no", says Nigel, "I didn't say that at all. I just said that they used them in the old days. When everything was much better. Anyway, I don't even work here, so it's not my fault if you listened to me. But I'm sure everything will be great". Nigel wanders off, leaving Boris, Michael, a smashed medicine cabinet, some leeches and a lot of sick people.
A British man is ill and goes to the doctors. When he gets there he finds David Cameron sat at reception. "Good news sir!", says Cameron, "Today, we're not letting the doctors decide. We're going to let you pick your own medicine". The British man looks bemused. Isn't that why we have doctors in the first place? To use their expertise to pick the right medicine. Sure, some might occasionally be less good, but you can always ask to see another one.
"Don't worry!", says Cameron, "I know this is probably daunting. So I've got lots of information from lots of medical experts. They're going to tell you all about the nasty side effects of taking the wrong medicine". Just then another man pops up from behind reception - Michael Gove. "I wouldn't trust what all of his experts say" says Gove, "he's just trying to scare you".
The man looks bemused. Can't a doctor just tell him what to take? But both Michael Gove and David Cameron tell him this choice is a really good thing.
There's another man in the doctors. He doesn't appear to have a job there, but he's talking loudly and a lot of people seem to be listening. On closer inspection it's Nigel Farage. "I wouldn't trust some of these medicines, they're foreign!". A few people nod and agree. "Back in Victorian times, we used to prescribe good old fashioned leeches. And we had an empire then!". A few more people nod.
The British man looks confused. How do you make a decision on something so complex that you haven't been trained in? He spots a man rushing in - it's Boris Johnson. Boris has heard that there's a possible vacancy for a doctor. "Don't worry everyone, I can guide you through this!", he says. He does a cheery wave to the people waiting, then starts bumbling on using vocabulary that isn't in the normal vernacular. "He sounds clever", someone says, "and a funny, friendly guy too. I think he just wants to help, that must be why he's here". A lot of people start feeling reassured. They decide to follow the advice of Boris, Nigel and Michael. David Cameron tries to make himself heard, but he's muffled by the piles of paper of expert opinion in front of him. The medicine cabinet is almost buckling under the weight.
Boris starts to look worried. People are now looking at him for guidance. "Erm, yes...what Nigel says....leeches....they'll cure you...won't they?". He looks confused. But he's nearly in the doctors place now. He always wanted that. People take the leeches, but the leeches just start sucking their blood. A few of them start to wonder whether they should have listened to the experts after all. "But Boris, Nigel and Michael, they were only trying to help us, right?", one of them says.
Just then, the medicine cabinet topples over, crushing Cameron. "That's such a shame" say Boris and Michael, "he was a good man. And all he wanted to do was give you a choice. For you. To help you. But we'll help you now.". But people start to get more sick. "The leeches, Nigel. You said they'd make us better, right". "Oh no", says Nigel, "I didn't say that at all. I just said that they used them in the old days. When everything was much better. Anyway, I don't even work here, so it's not my fault if you listened to me. But I'm sure everything will be great". Nigel wanders off, leaving Boris, Michael, a smashed medicine cabinet, some leeches and a lot of sick people.
Nigel is worried....
The UKIP leader told Channel 4 News: ‘I don't care who the next Conservative leader is, as long as it's someone who will hold faith with that referendum result.
‘I think over the next week or two we will see the names coming forward and we will see precisely what they stand for.
‘I think that Boris has a lot going for him in terms of public appeal, but perhaps some of the things he's been saying over the last 48 hours indicate there might be a slight softening of his position.
‘(He says) that there's no rush, which can be fine but does he really want to deal with this free movement issue? I don't yet know the answer to that.
‘I'm worried that that's being used as a smokescreen to do a different kind of deal with the EU that would keep us within free movement.
‘I'm pretty cautious about some of the motives of those who are saying we should take our time. I'm nervous. I'm more nervous than I was on Friday morning. I'm beginning to hear noises, I'm beginning to detect there may be some backsliding and I don't find that acceptable.’
‘We can control immigration. All we need is a Conservative Party government with the will to do it. And to hear somebody like Dan Hannan effectively selling out - or potentially selling out - already worries me greatly. We voted to take control of our country and its borders.’
The UKIP leader told Channel 4 News: ‘I don't care who the next Conservative leader is, as long as it's someone who will hold faith with that referendum result.
‘I think over the next week or two we will see the names coming forward and we will see precisely what they stand for.
‘I think that Boris has a lot going for him in terms of public appeal, but perhaps some of the things he's been saying over the last 48 hours indicate there might be a slight softening of his position.
‘(He says) that there's no rush, which can be fine but does he really want to deal with this free movement issue? I don't yet know the answer to that.
‘I'm worried that that's being used as a smokescreen to do a different kind of deal with the EU that would keep us within free movement.
‘I'm pretty cautious about some of the motives of those who are saying we should take our time. I'm nervous. I'm more nervous than I was on Friday morning. I'm beginning to hear noises, I'm beginning to detect there may be some backsliding and I don't find that acceptable.’
‘We can control immigration. All we need is a Conservative Party government with the will to do it. And to hear somebody like Dan Hannan effectively selling out - or potentially selling out - already worries me greatly. We voted to take control of our country and its borders.’
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