Election 2024

[brb]

On a cursory search basis, Mandelson had to undergo
at the minimum a DV vetting. If he failed that, then
he could not be given the job, Therefore any person that
signed on any overruling, should now be microscopically
investigated themselves as potential enemies within.

Are you sure he could not be given the job, what are the rules in the sense of is there anything in them that says the Prime Minister can overall, dependent on the circumstances of what has been found.

Personally I wouldn't be happy to lynch Starmer without knowing all the detail, and not just the detail on face value of what the media has given us.

Badenoch has said he lied to the House, but she would, that's the opposition for you. thats her perogative. Think I'd prefer to edge my bets on that KS never done anything illegal nor went outside of the rules of appointment.

I'd be very ****ing surprised as a qualified Barrister if he did, by that meaning knowing the law, dependent on his expertise in that specific area.

I think Keir has been put under the microscope to be fair, can't see him being a 'potential enemy' - unless you are suggesting someone within lied to him about passing the vetting, then yeah I see where you are coming from.

Not that I particularly care tbph, but will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[The RDBD]

Are you sure he could not be given the job, what are the rules in the sense of is there anything in them that says the Prime Minister can overall, dependent on the circumstances of what has been found.

If there is some hair-width fail in vetting
"letter of the law" , that could be overruled
in the "spirit of the law" , then perhaps so.

But that would require stating what those
fails explicitly were, and in the objective eyes
of those skilled in the vetting process, how
likely/often they would expect overrules to have
occurred for those fails.

 

[brb]

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BREAKING: No 10 and Keir Starmer were reportedly unaware that Peter Mandelson failed his security vetting.

Ouch!

 

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BREAKING: No 10 and Keir Starmer were reportedly unaware that Peter Mandelson failed his security vetting.

Ouch!

We now need to know :

1. The number + nature of the failings

2. How far the fact traveled up the authority chain,
to the end people who would be the ones to say
there is no effective just reason not to appoint Mandelson.

 

[brb]

Emily Thornberry has her paperwork with her from the appointment of Mandelson, and she said it says no where in it that he had failed vetting or it was over-ridden. It just states he had all the vetting checks etc and everything was in order. So it sounds like someone had made an independent decision somewhere (not the PM) based on the advice of whom? Olly Robins name has been mentioned. Starmer only found out this week that Mandelson had failed the vetting.

 

[Saf]

Problem with this… Starmer is the top man so he carries the can.

I think there’s every chance now that this is the beginning of the end for him. He could be gone in a week or two.

Probably replaced by Mahmood or Streeting. Oh the joys.

 

[brb]

Problem with this… Starmer is the top man so he carries the can.

I think there’s every chance now that this is the beginning of the end for him. He could be gone in a week or two.

Probably replaced by Mahmood or Streeting. Oh the joys.

Don't want Streeting oh my Lord all the doctors will go on strike at the thought of it.

I don't mind Mahmood, although I will probably cop the wrath of @Sucky for saying that. She seems more level headed then Streeting who just comes across as a balloon with a puncture in it constantly hissing.

 

[Sucky]

Problem with this… Starmer is the top man so he carries the can.

I think there’s every chance now that this is the beginning of the end for him. He could be gone in a week or two.

Probably replaced by Mahmood or Streeting. Oh the joys.

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Well that was quick work.

 

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[Saf]

Don't want Streeting oh my Lord all the doctors will go on strike at the thought of it.

I don't mind Mahmood, although I will probably cop the wrath of @Sucky for saying that. She seems more level headed then Streeting who just comes across as a balloon with a puncture in it constantly hissing.

Constantly hissing

Whoever takes the job would be a sitting duck from day one. I do think IF Starmer does go, they’ll end up like the last Tory government with a few changes until they’re booted out in a few years.

 

[Sucky]

Don't want Streeting oh my Lord all the doctors will go on strike at the thought of it.

I don't mind Mahmood, although I will probably cop the wrath of @Sucky for saying that. She seems more level headed then Streeting who just comes across as a balloon with a puncture in it constantly hissing.

no honestly we should deffo let a muslim free gaza hate marcher run the country

It sounds like a great idea

 

[brb]

no honestly we should deffo let a muslim free gaza hate marcher run the country

It sounds like a great idea

I knew you would approve of my choice, thanks bro.

 

[Sucky]

I knew you would approve of my choice, thanks bro.

we've already got one running London and look how well that's going

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[FosseFilberto]

Just my view - but Starmer is going nowhere... despite lots of wishful thinking from people with non-Labour views...

.. he's only as good as the information at his disposal and nothing so far that has come out in relation to Mandelson suggests he has done anything other than act on that ...

Mandelson had huge kudos in the US and already had a 'warm relationship' with Donald Trump, prior to being given the Ambassador role ... not least due to a host of 'mutual acquaintances' ... lots of people now jumping up and down about his appointment, but funnily enough, nobody has come out with any suggestions on who might have been better qualified for the job at the time ..

 

[Saf]

Just my view - but Starmer is going nowhere... despite lots of wishful thinking from people with non-Labour views...

.. he's only as good as the information at his disposal and nothing so far that has come out in relation to Mandelson suggests he has done anything other than act on that ...

Mandelson had huge kudos in the US and already had a 'warm relationship' with Donald Trump, prior to being given the Ambassador role ... not least due to a host of 'mutual acquaintances' ... lots of people now jumping up and down about his appointment, but funnily enough, nobody has come out with any suggestions on who might have been better qualified for the job at the time ..

Does it matter who’s better qualified for the job?

The point is, he should never been appointed because he was jumping about with *****philes and perverts.

It’s not the quality of his work that is up for debate.

 

[brb]

Just my view - but Starmer is going nowhere... despite lots of wishful thinking from people with non-Labour views...

.. he's only as good as the information at his disposal and nothing so far that has come out in relation to Mandelson suggests he has done anything other than act on that ...

Mandelson had huge kudos in the US and already had a 'warm relationship' with Donald Trump, prior to being given the Ambassador role ... not least due to a host of 'mutual acquaintances' ... lots of people now jumping up and down about his appointment, but funnily enough, nobody has come out with any suggestions on who might have been better qualified for the job at the time ..

I think Starmers problem is he promised when he came into office he was going to clean up politics, and on his watch this has happened and it sounds even worse when you say you didn't know, like who the **** is in charge then.

I personally don't want to see him go but I'm sort of like thinking here, do the cops need to get involved, especially if someone has done something underhand.

Starmer stated back in February on live tv the checks had been done, he's on camera actually defending Mandelson's appointment as such due to those checks. Which now it turns out were failed.

Will he have to go I don't know but everyone of the other parties will now put that pressure on him.

 

[Welshie]

Problem with this… Starmer is the top man so he carries the can.

I think there’s every chance now that this is the beginning of the end for him. He could be gone in a week or two.

Probably replaced by Mahmood or Streeting. Oh the joys.

Streeting, he's apparently been gearing up for a challenge for a while. It's been murmured about in political circles for months.

 

[Welshie]

Starmer is the wrong PM for the wrong time - he doesn't possess the natural abilities required to cut through the populist noise and right now the UK has ****ing three major populist parties on different ends of the political spectrum, Reform, Greens and SNP.

You need someone personable, who can travel around the country actually talking to the ****ing voters, its exactly what Farage is doing. Even if Starmer tried it, he wouldn't be able to pull it off.

A character like Burnham could, but never Starmer and Streeting is even worse.

 

[brb]

At least one funny thing is guaranteed, that will be Ed Davey exploding.