Election 2024

[PINKIE]

What's upsetting about that is Labour can genuinely turn it around, they can make changes that would keep them in.

But I am also convinced that they just won't do it.

What changes do you think they need to make ?

I ask that as a genuinely open question.

 

[brb]

What's upsetting about that is Labour can genuinely turn it around, they can make changes that would keep them in.

But I am also convinced that they just won't do it.

I still think Labour would get in again.

 

[Welshie]

What changes do you think they need to make ?

I ask that as a genuinely open question.

I've laid it out in long posts before, but fundamental changes to how we tax in the UK, how we treat services and corporations, I'd abolish the TV license fee and find other ways to relieve the tax burden in the UK on the lowest earners. Not enough people have money in their pockets, corporations (not individuals) get away with far too much while avoiding to pay into the system.

The vast VAT exemptions, many of them have gotta go.

 

[PINKIE]

I've laid it out in long posts before, but fundamental changes to how we tax in the UK, how we treat services and corporations, I'd abolish the TV license fee and find other ways to relieve the tax burden in the UK on the lowest earners. Not enough people have money in their pockets, corporations (not individuals) get away with far too much while avoiding to pay into the system.

The vast VAT exemptions, many of them have gotta go.

So basically make the rich pay their taxes and stop punishing the poor.

I'm in

 

[pieguts]

Labour and Tories arguing over who has done worse is embarrassing. They’ve both completely tanked and lost councils in their heartlands.

It’s up to the government now because the message is clear…

… Sort immigration out or you’re out.

I did ask the question on the GC politics thread a while back, but got the standard responses from the usual characters. To start with, I have no idea how to stop the undocumented migrants but am interested on how others think it could be achieved. How do we stop it?

 

[Welshie]

So basically make the rich pay their taxes and stop punishing the poor.

I'm in

Some of the poor should be punished in other ways

like how many of them are lazy ****wits without any parenting abilities and a dislike for work.

The poor aint some perfect little group, a lot of them are poor for a very good reason

 

[pieguts]

Right fess up time

Who on here voted for them ?

We didn’t have local elections where I am?

Edit
Just googled it and our next local elections aren’t until 2027. Still none the wiser why that is?

 

[brb]

I did ask the question on the GC politics thread a while back, but got the standard responses from the usual characters. To start with, I have no idea how to stop the undocumented migrants but am interested on how others think it could be achieved. How do we stop it?

I think if you haven't got documents, and you have clearly come across from France ie by boat. We should have some agreement with the French as a joint coalition to send them straight back, then process them in France, and both countries then decide who keep them.

I know that might mean they come back to us, but let's at least have a process to discourage anyone trying to buck the system, IF that is happening at all.

I think it has to be a hard and fast rule, if you travel without documents, then you are going back. We can always make exceptions for countries where we feel they would not have had time to grab documents. I suppose it depends how often that is done, and is it a real problem or just media noise and are there certain nationalities that are doing it ie albanians etc.

I suppose without seeing what is actually going on, it's a very hard question to answer and sending them straight back might be extremely unfair if cases are genuine. I don't really read anything around undocumented migrants, so I don't really understand what is happening, ie are they ditching documents or genuinly don't have them.

I apply the above to adults, not to minors. Always help the kids whatever, I'm mainly talking about men. I think whatever we do can only work in agreement with the French, so they will want something in return.

 

[PINKIE]

Some of the poor should be punished in other ways

like how many of them are lazy ****wits without any parenting abilities and a dislike for work.

The poor aint some perfect little group, a lot of them are poor for a very good reason

Yeah I know, I was just trying to make a concise point

 

[duggie2000]

I noticed that Farage was crying about increased council tax on second homes the other day. He's got a place down here. I know that for a fact because bizarrely he shares a mutual friend with me. I think he's also got a couple of other gaffs around the country

One of the big issues down here is 2nd homes, because loads of quaint little fishing villages are just populated by wealthy folk who can afford a holiday home down here, the issue it creates is that it drives up prices, demand is sky high and locals can't get on the housing ladder

People are very vocal about it down here. And Cornwall council has recently introduced a 100% increase on 2nd home council tax

I wonder if his minions are going to campaign against that tax, because if they do they'll probably end up getting lobbed down a mine shaft

Well as your are part of the problem what is your solution

 

[PINKIE]

Well as your are part of the problem what is your solution

You're

 

[pieguts]

I think if you haven't got documents, and you have clearly come across from France ie by boat. We should have some agreement with the French as a joint coalition to send them straight back, then process them in France, and both countries then decide who keep them.

I know that might mean they come back to us, but let's at least have a process to discourage anyone trying to buck the system, IF that is happening at all.

I think it has to be a hard and fast rule, if you travel without documents, then you are going back. We can always make exceptions for countries where we feel they would not have had time to grab documents. I suppose it depends how often that is done, and is it a real problem or just media noise and are there certain nationalities that are doing it ie albanians etc.

I suppose without seeing what is actually going on, it's a very hard question to answer and sending them straight back, might be extremely unfair if cases are genuine. I don't really read anything around undocumented migrants, so I don't really understand what is happening, ie are they ditching documents or genuinly don't have them.

I apply the above to adults, not to minors. Always help the kids whatever, I'm mainly talking about men. I think whatever we do can only work in agreement with the French, so they will want something in return.

I don’t disagree with the sentiment but I thought that once they reach international waters (the 3 mile rule) then the country that have come from (France) are not obligated to take them back and quite frankly why would France agree to this. They have there own issues with migrants. They can of course be sent back to their “home” countries but of course they have ditched any documentation before crossing the channel. This is the main issue for me, as the only way to process them is once the reach our shores, and during that process we are stuck with them. This is too late, we now have them.
I’ve often thought that rather than keep giving France money that they happily accept but doesn’t improve the issue, we should try, and I use this term loosely, to put pressure on the counties they originally come from. Alternatively, we have to use our special forces to infiltrate these gangs that provide the transport and to put it bluntly, make this problem go away.

 

[brb]

I don’t disagree with the sentiment but I thought that once they reach international waters (the 3 mile rule) then the country that have come from (France) are not obligated to take them back and quite frankly why would France agree to this. They have there own issues with migrants. They can of course be sent back to their “home” countries but of course they have ditched any documentation before crossing the channel. This is the main issue for me, as the only way to process them is once the reach our shores, and during that process we are stuck with them. This is too late, we now have them.
I’ve often thought that rather than keep giving France money that they happily accept but doesn’t improve the issue, we should try, and I use this term loosely, to put pressure on the counties they originally come from. Alternatively, we have to use our special forces to infiltrate these gangs that provide the transport and to put it bluntly, make this problem go away.

This is the problem, too many legal loopholes and they know them all. We need to incentivise people having their documents, make the process easy for us, we make it easy for you. Think i'd need to also understand why anyone would want to ditch their documents, what are they trying to hide by doing that? So many different aspects to this that there is not a one solution that is going to cover it all...and when you do find solutions, people will say but yeah legally you can't do that.

Edit: Your last sentence sums it up for me, make the problem go away exactly as you described.

 

[Milk..]

Trump’s approval rating slumps to 39% after 100 days in office as the economy starts to shrink.

He’s on the tele box now trying to blame Biden for it all

Was it on here or another forum I saw post that Donald Trump is planning to rename the "San Andreas Fault" the "Joe Biden Fault"?

 

[brb]

Was it on here or another forum I saw post that Donald Trump is planning to rename the "San Andreas Fault" the "Joe Biden Fault"?

Ffs.

 

[Milk..]

Farage suggests Reform will cut DEI jobs and working from home in councils the party controls, saying: "If you work from home, forget it"

That's Windy and Luv ****ed then lol

Working from Home proven to be just as efficient in most cases. Shows complete regressiveness and no idea what reality is. Cutting DEI- does that mean also for the disabled?

 

[pieguts]

This is the problem, too many legal loopholes and they know them all. We need to incentivise people having their documents, make the process easy for us, we make it easy for you. Think i'd need to also understand why anyone would want to ditch their documents, what are they trying to hide by doing that? So many different aspects to this that there is not a one solution that is going to cover it all...and when you do find solutions, people will say but yeah legally you can't do that.

Edit: Your last sentence sums it up for me, make the problem go away exactly as you described.

Another option is to stop the rights of passage to other family members if asylum is granted.
It’s often said that the reason the majority of migrants are fit and healthy young males, is that they have the best chance of transiting through the various counties to get to the UK. Once they have been processed and given leave to remain, they then are able to send for their families who will then get the same entry rights as legal migrants. A simple solution to me, is to remove this right of passage for other family members.

 

[PINKIE]

Working from Home proven to be just as efficient in most cases. Shows complete regressiveness and no idea what reality is. Cutting DEI- does that mean also for the disabled?

I presume by stripping our equality measures it means, disabled, women, those with mental health problems, the elderly etc

Basically anybody who doesn't fit the typical fit and healthy white male aged 25-55 bracket

 

[FosseFilberto]

Labour and Tories arguing over who has done worse is embarrassing. They’ve both completely tanked and lost councils in their heartlands.

It’s up to the government now because the message is clear…

… Sort immigration out or you’re out.

Labour have lost 186 Councilors ... the Tories have lost 674 ... almost the same number that Reform have gained ...

If Labour have tanked - the Tories have super-tanked based on those figures

 

[pieguts]

Working from Home proven to be just as efficient in most cases. Shows complete regressiveness and no idea what reality is. Cutting DEI- does that mean also for the disabled?

A lot of councils have sold their “real estate” to balance the books after years of underfunding. I’m not sure there is enough office space for the civil servants to go back to and they don’t have spare cash to rent more.