Eight points down to five...Tick Tott Tick Tott

With an 8 point gap, with Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool all away and United at home all to play nobody is going to tell me Spurs are realistic title challengers, at best they will finish 12-15 points behind the league winners



If Spurs get injuries, expect that gap to be 15-20

 

Exactly, of the top 6/7, City on paper have by far the easiest fixtures, especially if we rule out home games.

Apart from the Emirates which IMO they should be winning anyway, there is no top opposition for City to face away from home.

They don't even have to face resurgent sides like QPR or Sunderland away. All the sides City face away from home are midtable sides like Norwich, Villa, Swansea, Everton etc who probably won't get top half, but equally are in no real danger of going down.

I can easily see Spurs/United at WHL being a draw which would end the title race altogether.

City are winning this league by about a 5 point gap IMO

 

At this stage of the season it's much better to play teams like the above, then playing teams at the top and bottom away from home who are scrapping for and have everything to play for. Spurs fans are underestimating that. Sometimes it's easier to chase than it is to lead. I am still confident that if we beat Spurs at home, we can still realistically finish above them

 

I am expecting the table to finish something like:

City 90
United 85
Chelsea 74
Spurs 71
Arsenal 70
Liverpool 68

 

Definition of delusional: a delusion is a false belief held with absolute conviction despite superior evidence.


For any Spurs fan to believe that we are title contenders this season cannot, by definition, be delusional, because such a belief cannot be false, given (a) our current form, (b) our current position in the EPL, and (c) the fact that there are still 48 points to play for and a mere 8 points separating us from top spot.

Just because you believe that we cannot win the EPL title does not make me delusional, it merely pin-points the fact that we each hold opposing views when interpreting the same facts. The facts remain unaltered. There is no delusion, only disagreement.

That some Spurs fans may lack the same degree of confidence as I have in this Spurs team does not make me delusional any more than it makes them delusional. All it does is demonstrate in them a lack of confidence that this Spurs side has the ability to go all the way.

It may well prove to be the case that we lack the staying-power to win the title, but it is not delusional, at this point in the season, for me or any other Spurs fan to believe that we can win the title.

I trust that has clarified the matter for you?

 

To be fair, I'd probably take that right now, if it was offered.

But that still does not alter the fact that Spurs has a good chance of winning the title.

 

I had the top two as the exact same.

Only I had

Chelsea 75
Spurs 74
Arsenal 74

I had

Chelsea: Sunderland (D), Norwich (W)
Spurs: Wolves (W), City (L)
Arsenal: Swansea (D), United (W)

Chelsea: 0
Spurs: -2
Arsenal -4

 

I don't think Arsenal will get 74 points but they will give Spurs a scare for fourth and I hope we give United a scare for second. If Torres starts scroring we can

 

If, for whatever reason, you cannot give United a scare for 2nd, I would like to believe that we can do it for you

 

Good luck; and you'll have to beat them to get started

 

I can't see it happening, we'd have needed an Arsenal win to really rock the boat. United have pretty much weak opposition at home now

 

For the record if Spurs had beaten City I would genuinely have considered them title contenders

 

Correct

 

Correct

 

The bubble of your seasons aspirations perhaps?

The times when top four was so near but yet so far?

The capitulation half way through a season?

The dodgy spag bog the night before West Ham?

YOU KNOW exactly what I mean...all this bollocks of league contenders is purely based on a good run in the first half of the season, some well deserved victories and the poor results that Arsenal and Chelsea have gleaned so far, it is not something that you would have set out to achieve at the beginning of the season.

Levy and Redknapp will have been saying top four, happy days back in August and you know it.

 

I think it's on the record that most Spurs fans would have settled for a top four at the start of the season, and that none of us believed we would contend for the title. For most of us, that remains the case even to this day and will for the rest of season. However, the fact that we are currently challenging for the title should not come as any surprise to anyone who has followed football for the past four or five seasons, since we have clearly been knocking on the door. Neither are we a poor club, as our previous spending has proved. The only thing that has ever let us down is our wage structure, that has prevented us from securing the types of players that you and United (and now £ity) have been able to buy and keep.

I don't see any bubbles having been burst, since to aspire is, by its very definition, to allow always for the possibility of failure, and failure more often than not, otherwise one would not need to "aspire" since one would have "achieved."

It's true that Spurs has aspired to be a consistent top 4 side, and if we gain CL football next season we will have partly achieved that aspiration, by having finished in the top 4 three out of two seasons, and with every expectation that we will continue to challenge in future seasons.

If you want to talk about "bubbles bursting" perhaps you should start a debate about your own club, it's managerial recruitment record, and the crisis surrounding the decline in some of your key players.

 

We do that on a daily basis?

 

Fair enough. I cannot argue with that.

 

HIAG <whisper> two out of three seasons <whisper> <ssh>

 

Saints fan in peace.You want even finish in the top 5 this season.Arsenal and Newcastle will finish above you.I reckon you might even finish 7th which would be a disaster for a club like Chelsea but what can you do when you've got sh1t manager in charge?