Ebenezer Cobb Morley

[originallambrettaman]

The original offending post was poorly worded and as it has obviously caused offence, so I’ve removed it.

 

[The Omega Man]

I think it's unfair to call Hardaker a racist because of a couple of dodgy quotes he is said to have made in the early 60's.
It was a very different world then and the issue wasn't as controversial as it is today. Ron Atkinson tripped up using one word that was common in the 60's off air in a different era and it virtually ruined him. I doubt if Hardaker was the FL secretary today or Atkinson was still a top football manager that either of them would have used that language, but it was common place then, just look back at the old sit coms on the telly from that time.
The original point of this thread was the lack of recognition to the old Anlaby Road ground and from that came the Hardaker and Cobb Morley lack of recognition in the city,
I don't think it has to be a statue either. I simple blue civic plaque would be sufficient, and that has been my argument for years. These plaques have been put on houses were actors and writers lived for a couple of years, even on the railway station were the Spiders from Mars caught a train ! The bee keeper's plaque is on Newland Park in honour of someone who wrote a book on bee keeping FFS.
Yet the site of Boothferry Park which saw all the big crowds this city has ever had, some of the greatest footballers in the World played,, a place where Internationals were played, a place that hosted some of the very first floodlit games against European competition and the very spot where the first game to be decided by penalty kicks in the World was played cannot even be mentioned by name on the new housing estate which stands there, never mind a blue plaque. The same principles apply to the old Anlaby Road ground and the birthplaces of Hardaker, Cobb Morley and where Pat O'Connell lived in. Look up the history of Barcelona FC and see how they honour a bloke who played for Hull City and lived off Princes Avenue. No apparent will to erect plaques to recognise football in this city but we fall over blue plaques on houses were people from the world of show business lived for a brief spell. We even have a statue of Ronnie Hilton. I'll leave that for someone else to question the wisdom behind that one.
You wait until Arthur Bunting pegs it.

To be honest, whilst it is great to look back, the memories of those long gone days are confined to a very small group of people and without a modern story to tag onto, there is nothing but a sentimental journey that will be fleeting.
Go around the schools and ask about the famous players and the children will not have a clue and even if the did, it would change nothing.
That is the lesson that I have learn from dealing with this type of thing. "How does it relate to today?" This is a question that has to be answered. Find a link, "It's coming up to the centenary since he died, will get a day of local news, possibly an exhibition. But beyond that the people who will promote the ideas will not do anything. Sorry for being negative.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

To be honest, whilst it is great to look back, the memories of those long gone days are confined to a very small group of people and without a modern story to tag onto, there is nothing but a sentimental journey that will be fleeting.
Go around the schools and ask about the famous players and the children will not have a clue and even if the did, it would change nothing.
That is the lesson that I have learn from dealing with this type of thing. "How does it relate to today?" This is a question that has to be answered. Find a link, "It's coming up to the centenary since he died, will get a day of local news, possibly an exhibition. But beyond that the people who will promote the ideas will not do anything. Sorry for being negative.

You could say that about all history. So do we just ignore it ? It relates a lot to today, it is where we came from, our roots, our heritage. As for Alan Hardaker isn't the story telling local kids that a bloke from the Boulevard who worked as a clerk for Hull City Council went onto be one of the most influential men in the Football League at a time when the national team won the World Cup and was honoured for it ? Nah, just bin that, eh ?

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

[QUOTE="Urika Peece
You wait until Arthur Bunting pegs it.

Almost four years ago, in other news Mr Mcmillan will spend this weekend at Chequers! [/QUOTE]





I thought that after I'd posted, so apologies. On that score I'm amazed there hasn't been a campaign to replace Queen Victoria's statue in town with one of Arthur yet.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

I spent a great deal of time trying to bring the copy of the first rule book to exhibit in Hull.
DMD will remember a plan to row from London to Hull just as Cobb Morley had done.
Members of this forum tried contacting the FA and we even had a banner done.

The fact is that, no one wants to know really. They simply do not give a toss.

There is a plaque and that is it. The museum has done an exibition and that is seen as enough. Whilst to your face people who could help, will say it is very interesting, in reality they cannot be bothered.

Sad but true.

 

[Ehab's Member]

I think it's unfair to call Hardaker a racist because of a couple of dodgy quotes he is said to have made in the early 60's.
It was a very different world then and the issue wasn't as controversial as it is today. Ron Atkinson tripped up using one word that was common in the 60's off air in a different era and it virtually ruined him. I doubt if Hardaker was the FL secretary today or Atkinson was still a top football manager that either of them would have used that language, but it was common place then, just look back at the old sit coms on the telly from that time.
The original point of this thread was the lack of recognition to the old Anlaby Road ground and from that came the Hardaker and Cobb Morley lack of recognition in the city,
I don't think it has to be a statue either. I simple blue civic plaque would be sufficient, and that has been my argument for years. These plaques have been put on houses were actors and writers lived for a couple of years, even on the railway station were the Spiders from Mars caught a train ! The bee keeper's plaque is on Newland Park in honour of someone who wrote a book on bee keeping FFS.
Yet the site of Boothferry Park which saw all the big crowds this city has ever had, some of the greatest footballers in the World played,, a place where Internationals were played, a place that hosted some of the very first floodlit games against European competition and the very spot where the first game to be decided by penalty kicks in the World was played cannot even be mentioned by name on the new housing estate which stands there, never mind a blue plaque. The same principles apply to the old Anlaby Road ground and the birthplaces of Hardaker, Cobb Morley and where Pat O'Connell lived in. Look up the history of Barcelona FC and see how they honour a bloke who played for Hull City and lived off Princes Avenue. No apparent will to erect plaques to recognise football in this city but we fall over blue plaques on houses were people from the world of show business lived for a brief spell. We even have a statue of Ronnie Hilton. I'll leave that for someone else to question the wisdom behind that one.
You wait until Arthur Bunting pegs it.

Actually my original point wasn't the lack of acknowledgement of the old Anlaby Road ground (although I'm all for anything that does). It's simply that someone so crucial to the development of the world game came from Hull and to erect a statue would attract national and possibly international interest. It would raise the profile of Hull City as a club and Hull as a football city. Pointing out where our old ground is all very interesting to us but in the great scheme of things is a bit small time and parochial, a bit like much of the country already views us,.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Actually my original point wasn't the lack of acknowledgement of the old Anlaby Road ground (although I'm all for anything that does). It's simply that someone so crucial to the development of the world game came from Hull and to erect a statue would attract national and possibly international interest. It would raise the profile of Hull City as a club and Hull as a football city. Pointing out where our old ground is all very interesting to us but in the great scheme of things is a bit small time and parochial, a bit like much of the country already views us,.

Why can't we have both ?

 

[Ehab's Member]

Of course, but I wouldn’t trust those in power to be able to hold two thoughts at once. Priority is surely to be outward looking.

 

[Barchullona]

Possibly, but they have courted Larkin at all costs, remember the toads, also we have Clive Sullivan way, Roger Millward way, neither born in Hull, a statue of Jack Harrison all Rugby legends in this City, but no acknowledgement of any past City players as I recall, until we made the Premiership, then they really got on board, but no real effort for a permanent honour.

No objections to a statue of Jack Harrison. Any man who wins both a VC and an MC deserves one. And, he was a local lad. His son also died serving his country in the defence of Dunkirk. I think Jack Harrison is among the most deserving of people born in Hull having a statue erected in his memory.

 

[The Omega Man]

You could say that about all history. So do we just ignore it ? It relates a lot to today, it is where we came from, our roots, our heritage. As for Alan Hardaker isn't the story telling local kids that a bloke from the Boulevard who worked as a clerk for Hull City Council went onto be one of the most influential men in the Football League at a time when the national team won the World Cup and was honoured for it ? Nah, just bin that, eh ?

I am not saying bin anything, but trying to raise interest without a focal point is very difficult.
You write a piece about him and I will publish it in the TigerMag.

 

[Barchullona]

I think it's unfair to call Hardaker a racist because of a couple of dodgy quotes he is said to have made in the early 60's.
It was a very different world then and the issue wasn't as controversial as it is today. Ron Atkinson tripped up using one word that was common in the 60's off air in a different era and it virtually ruined him. I doubt if Hardaker was the FL secretary today or Atkinson was still a top football manager that either of them would have used that language, but it was common place then, just look back at the old sit coms on the telly from that time.
The original point of this thread was the lack of recognition to the old Anlaby Road ground and from that came the Hardaker and Cobb Morley lack of recognition in the city,
I don't think it has to be a statue either. I simple blue civic plaque would be sufficient, and that has been my argument for years. These plaques have been put on houses were actors and writers lived for a couple of years, even on the railway station were the Spiders from Mars caught a train ! The bee keeper's plaque is on Newland Park in honour of someone who wrote a book on bee keeping FFS.
Yet the site of Boothferry Park which saw all the big crowds this city has ever had, some of the greatest footballers in the World played,, a place where Internationals were played, a place that hosted some of the very first floodlit games against European competition and the very spot where the first game to be decided by penalty kicks in the World was played cannot even be mentioned by name on the new housing estate which stands there, never mind a blue plaque. The same principles apply to the old Anlaby Road ground and the birthplaces of Hardaker, Cobb Morley and where Pat O'Connell lived in. Look up the history of Barcelona FC and see how they honour a bloke who played for Hull City and lived off Princes Avenue. No apparent will to erect plaques to recognise football in this city but we fall over blue plaques on houses were people from the world of show business lived for a brief spell. We even have a statue of Ronnie Hilton. I'll leave that for someone else to question the wisdom behind that one.
You wait until Arthur Bunting pegs it.

I think it's unfair to call Hardaker a racist because of a couple of dodgy quotes he is said to have made in the early 60's.
It was a very different world then and the issue wasn't as controversial as it is today. Ron Atkinson tripped up using one word that was common in the 60's off air in a different era and it virtually ruined him. I doubt if Hardaker was the FL secretary today or Atkinson was still a top football manager that either of them would have used that language, but it was common place then, just look back at the old sit coms on the telly from that time.
The original point of this thread was the lack of recognition to the old Anlaby Road ground and from that came the Hardaker and Cobb Morley lack of recognition in the city,
I don't think it has to be a statue either. I simple blue civic plaque would be sufficient, and that has been my argument for years. These plaques have been put on houses were actors and writers lived for a couple of years, even on the railway station were the Spiders from Mars caught a train ! The bee keeper's plaque is on Newland Park in honour of someone who wrote a book on bee keeping FFS.
Yet the site of Boothferry Park which saw all the big crowds this city has ever had, some of the greatest footballers in the World played,, a place where Internationals were played, a place that hosted some of the very first floodlit games against European competition and the very spot where the first game to be decided by penalty kicks in the World was played cannot even be mentioned by name on the new housing estate which stands there, never mind a blue plaque. The same principles apply to the old Anlaby Road ground and the birthplaces of Hardaker, Cobb Morley and where Pat O'Connell lived in. Look up the history of Barcelona FC and see how they honour a bloke who played for Hull City and lived off Princes Avenue. No apparent will to erect plaques to recognise football in this city but we fall over blue plaques on houses were people from the world of show business lived for a brief spell. We even have a statue of Ronnie Hilton. I'll leave that for someone else to question the wisdom behind that one.
You wait until Arthur Bunting pegs it.

Ah, Ronnie Hilton...Quote about him "A true Yorkshireman, Hilton always remained loyal to his roots – especially to Leeds United.He composed, sang and recorded several anthems as tribute to the club."

Pat O'Connell is another who is overlooked in this City but if he had connections with Sunderland, Portsmouth and other places would be mentioned in those cities. Most Hull people will not have a clue about him.
Of course as Terry Geraghty said when Hull was awarded City OfCulture "Visitors will have a chance to see what a great sporting city this is. Not only do we love rugby league, but darts and wrestling as well". That at time when we were the only Yorkshire side in the Premier League. Could you imagine a Councillor from Leeds, Huddersfield, Bradford or any other city in Yorkshire saying that if it had applied to their city? it is almost as some in Hull are determined to portray Hull asxaome small, provincial, insular town rather than a city.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

I am not saying bin anything, but trying to raise interest without a focal point is very difficult.
You write a piece about him and I will publish it in the TigerMag.

Done it matey,' Hull, Hell @ Happiness' 1990's.

 

[Barchullona]

Done it matey,' Hull, Hell @ Happiness' 1990's.

A lot on here will not have read the journalistic masterpieces in those magazines. One particular writer remains in the memory. More than one nom de plume mind.

 

[TwoWrights]

A lot on here will not have read the journalistic masterpieces in those magazines. One particular writer remains in the memory. More than one nom de plume mind.

As an aside I was recently reading an old City Independent, and David Burns stated we'd be mad to leave Boothferry Park.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

A lot on here will not have read the journalistic masterpieces in those magazines. One particular writer remains in the memory. More than one nom de plume mind.

Voted the best fanzine in Great Britain at the time by readers of the Rangers fanzine 'Follow, Follow' which had by far the largest circulation. A worthy honour for a club who at that time were bottom of the old 4th division. Of course the HDM made a bid deal about it by not mentioning it all.

 

[Barchullona]

As an aside I was recently reading an old City Independent, and David Burns stated we'd be mad to leave Boothferry Park.

You want to send that in to him and see if he responds.

 

[Barchullona]

Voted the best fanzine in Great Britain at the time by readers of the Rangers fanzine 'Follow, Follow' which had by far the largest circulation. A worthy honour for a club who at that time were bottom of the old 4th division. Of course the HDM made a bid deal about it by not mentioning it all.

To be fair to them they did publish a letter from someone in Australia who said the answer to a question on a TV quiz programme was Hull Kingston Rovers. What he described as another proud moment in the great history of the club.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

To be fair to them they did publish a letter from someone in Australia who said the answer to a question on a TV quiz programme was Hull Kingston Rovers. What he described as another proud moment in the great history of the club.

Are you sure it wasn't the famous BBQ a couple in the Cook Island said they'd had in honour of something one of the Hull RL clubs had done, they published that.

 

[Barchullona]

Are you sure it wasn't the famous BBQ someone in the Cook Island said they'd had in honour of something one of the Hull RL clubs had done, they published that.

No, that was separate.
One of my favourites was someone on Talksport going on about Rovers being world famous and everywhere he went on a trip to the USA everyone he told he was from Hull wanted to know about Kingston Rovers. The presenters went along with this instead of saying sure, in bars everyone said hey, never mind the Cowboys, Bears, Packers this guy is from Hull, come and listen to what Kingston Rovers are doing. Pull the other one daft sod.

 

[The Omega Man]

Done it matey,' Hull, Hell @ Happiness' 1990's.

I am always on the look out for articles, 2500 words.
I have written about Cobb Morley, Don Revie, Frank Buckley and Martin Spendiff.