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PISKIE said:
So how do you think those animals that are raised on land where you can't cultivate crops are fed ? It's possible to have purely pasture fed cattle, but those cattle in South Wales don't just survive on the grass in those fields. Most animals reared for meat are fed on grains, seeds, soy etc. So you need land to raise them and land to grow crops to feed them. Also How many ducks that are sold as meat have you seen raised in rice paddies ?

The point I'm making (and I'm not vegan, I eat beef) is that people squirm in disgust at eating insects, but don't really stop to consider the impact that eating meat has. As I've said, I eat meat, but not loads of it. It's our obsession with mass consumption of meat that leads to deforestation to grow crops and rear cattle etc.
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Quite a lot in south east asia, as they have been 'experimenting' with going back to doing what they used to, using animal 'crops' to fertilize and control pests, which is, of course, far better than using pesticides and chemical fertilizers. As to them eating soy, yes, they do, the feed is mainly made up from 97% of the plant that is inedible for humans.
So, who is the vegan then, as there's obviousy one fairly close as you're coming out with the standard vegan BS.
 
Big Ern said:
Quite a lot in south east asia, as they have been 'experimenting' with going back to doing what they used to, using animal 'crops' to fertilize and control pests, which is, of course, far better than using pesticides and chemical fertilizers. As to them eating soy, yes, they do, the feed is mainly made up from 97% of the plant that is inedible for humans.
So, who is the vegan then, as there's obviousy one fairly close as you're coming out with the standard vegan BS.
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Drop the patronising bollocks ern. <ok> It’s not BS. Go and research it for yourself. 80% of all agricultural land is used to grow food for animals that are then used for meat. So you need twice the amount of land and resources. When you could just use that land once to grow crops for human consumption. And it’s not just soy. It’s wheat, corn, grains, vegetables etc.

Then there is the amount of water (another resource in demand) needed, which is something like 4x 5x times more to produce meat. Take that into consideration along with the carbon footprint due to deforestation and land cleared to raise animals and you can see why it’s so resource intensive.

I’m not saying eating meat is bad, I’m saying that in the west we consume far too much of it and expect it to be cheap, which drives the problem.

I’m all for sustainable food production (the examples you’ve outlined) that’s exactly what I’ve been saying. Eating less and better quality meat would be an improvement.
 
Big Ern said:
oh do **** off with your vegan propaganda BS, a cows job is to turn grass into meat, that's it's role in nature, and it takes far less resources to get nutrition from a cow than it does from lettuce, cucumbers, tomatoes etc.
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I hate to be pedantic <whistle> <whistle> ... but cows are primarily employed to turn grass into milk ... bullocks on the udder hand .... don't need milking ... with either hand <cheers>
 
FosseFilberto said:
I hate to be pedantic <whistle> <whistle> ... but cows are primarily employed to turn grass into milk ... bullocks on the udder hand .... don't need milking ... with either hand <cheers>
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I said in nature, that excludes their domestic uses, which would also include leather.
 
luvgonzo said:
That's ****ing disgusting. <yikes>
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I know mate ... were some right little bastards where I grew up ... actually saw one kid fall for it ... they told him it was "butterscotch" ... saw him around and about for some years after so it probably didn't do him any harm <yikes> ....kids can be proper little ****s ... one reason I didn't fall for it was that no kid in his right mind where I lived would share his sweets ... tight ****ers <laugh>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
What are the respective calorie counts mate? ... and would the crickets have eaten anything containing gluten?
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It's not an issue though is it unless you want to eat the whole bag or something, a small amount of peanuts isn't bad for you and neither are crickets but one tastes a hellova lot better than the other.
 
I'm betting that Skiddy feasts regularly on fried dung beetle, judging by the amount of ****e he talks.

I'm right, yeah?
 
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