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[BBFs Unpopular View]

I actually agree with the vast majority of that.

But as Bodanki said - I'm not sure the need for this outcry simply due to Milk not going with a theory that you support

That's not what happened, it started off with what I assumed was a Milk joke about Putin, so I played along and made a similarly useless statement. I stated as much in a following post. The others took it from there, I only respond. I did say 9\11 is nothing in terns of the point Milk was trying to make about me personally, guess ye missed that?

So reading through is not your strong point then, nor Bodanki's either

 

[Skylarker]

That's not what happened, it started off with what I assumed was a Milk joke about Putin, so I played along and made a similarly useless statement. I stated as much in a following post. The others took it from there, I only respond.

So reading through is not your strong point then, nor Bodanki's either

I just get confused by the sheer amount of conspiracies happening on this board

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I just get confused by the sheer amount of conspiracies happening on this board

The term conspiracy theory is used to shut down debate. That is it's sole purpose.

I guess you forget Hillsborough was a conspiracy theory.. the government is watching everything we do was another, also true as it turned out after 2 deacades of ridicule for those that claimed it.

You do know that is how the police operate against organised crime, they theorise conspiracies based on evidence and try prove them

I only ever discussed 9\11 in any extensive way, one issue. Only most of the world don't believe the official story like

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

1 in 20 whites in the Southern States have at least 1% African DNA. (some a lot more than that)

It is estimated that 98% of all people on earth have ancestors of "different races" if you go back 17 generations. Travel wasn't as common in earlier generations but still happened.

A "pure race" doesn't exist and never has.

Absolutely. people should be proud,interested in their heritage, but being 'proud' of your race (and looking down on others) is like thinking you're superior because you're not left-handed or red-headed. Utterly preposterous, if you step back and think of it.

#ashamedofhavingab/smum

 

[saintanton]

You do the exact same thing I do, except you talk about a country you know nothing about, Russia. I know the history of the western nations very well indeed and they have caused more suffering around the world than any other nations on earth in the past several hundred years.

That must make you an expert, then?


"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" says an expert.


Seriously, though Sis- you surely don't believe that most of us think Western society is perfect and our governments are all angels?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

I just get confused by the sheer amount of conspiracies happening on this board

'They' are doing that to you deliberately with the flouride in your water. And electromagnetic pulses in your mobile phone. And several other tihngs too.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

That must make you an expert, then?


"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" says an expert.


Seriously, though Sis- you surely don't believe that most of us think Western society is perfect and our governments are all angels?

First of all who said the word "expert"?
Secondly, what we have with people these days is, one does research and a lot of reading of various sources and gets an idea of the subject and as time goes by you get to know the subject matter well.

Along comes someone who has done neither the hundreds if not thousands of hours of reading, no research and dismisses everything out of hand.

Sound familiar? How can you tell me anything I say is not true if you never even checked yourself? Food for though for all the underachieving mouth breathers out there who think they know better without putting the effort in to verify anything themselves.

Milk himself became an expert on a subject in 3 minutes, Part of my country's history like.. ad told me I am wrong in a condescending way, arrogance? Ignorance?

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

Lmao at Russia not occupying or invading anyone. Um... Did you miss the 20th century for half of it they occupied half of Europe. This very year they invaded and occupied portions of Ukraine. A few years ago they invaded and took territories from Georgia. They still occupy Chechnya, Tuva and many other countries in central asia against the will of the people... Other countries whose names I don't recall because they're weird central-asian sounding and I can't be arsed to Google.


You see the world as black and white. Russia is this saintly good nation and the UK/US is bad in everything they do. Reality is; that that isn't true. There's good and bad about all countries.

 

[Milk not bear jizz]

Milk himself became an expert on a subject in 3 minutes, Part of my country's history like.. ad told me I am wrong in a condescending way, arrogance? Ignorance?

I never claimed to be an expert I (as did others) merely fact-checked your claim and found it to be just another silly conspiracy theory based on "UK bad".

 

[Bodinki]

Hey I know all governments do some sort of snidey, insidious ****.
There are probably thousands of instances of our government doing dodgy stuff in order to gain a political or financial foothold in some dealing or other.
Anyone who thinks governments aren't prepared to allow some "collateral damage" in the name of their main agenda is fooling themselves.

Most conspiracies can be debunked with one word....."why?"

Where I stand on the main ones.

Roswell - **** off

JFK - Dodgy as **** from what I have read. Something smells about this one. I think possible CIA involvement. Though I am no expert.

9/11 - At most I would say the US government got advanced warning of the attack and failed to act either because, a) They didn't take it seriously or B) They thought they could use the incident to further their political agenda in the middle East. I don't buy anything about CGI planes, Holograms, or bombs. Why not just say Al Qaeda bombed it, why even go with the trouble of adding planes and risking all that bullshit. If it were bombed then why not just say it was bombed? The planes would be a stupid lie that would unravel everything really fast, especially since a million eye witnesses would say "Well, we saw both explosions and no planes!". Not only would you need to explain why no one saw planes, but also fabricate the lives and stories of hundreds of passengers who were supposed to be on the planes. You would need the co-operation of the airlines too. If you think those planes, and passengers, existed, but the US government shot them down and lied that they were used to crash in to the WTC, when they could just say it was bombed then.................honestly, why? Why add planes into the equation ffs.

Sandy Hook - Grow the **** up. That there is some Tom Clancy type ****.

 

[saintanton]

First of all who said the word "expert"?
Secondly, what we have with people these days is, one does research and a lot of reading of various sources and gets an idea of the subject and as time goes by you get to know the subject matter well.

Along comes someone who has done neither the hundreds if not thousands of hours of reading, no research and dismisses everything out of hand.

Sound familiar? How can you tell me anything I say is not true if you never even checked yourself? Food for though for all the underachieving mouth breathers out there who think they know better without putting the effort in to verify anything themselves.

I did.
That's the word for someone who has extensive knowledge of a subject.

" The ignorance of experts" is a clear oxymoron. One can only assume Feynman was being ironic when he made that statement.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

It's funny, folks that can't be arsed doing even a miniscule few hours of research show up, with google on another tab and say it's all wrong

I mean if you can't be arsed actually putting in the work, why would you bother getting into the debate one might wonder? Usually it's because people disagree because of their own perceived paradigm.

Anyone here read the wiki cables? documents? Snowden leaks? Biographies from key people? Chomsky? Harris? Thousands of regional historical accounts and local historians. Declassified documents.

The required reading is immense. No matter what the subject immediately every time I have people on my ass telling me I am wrong or it's a conspiracy theory when there is not even a conspiracy is being discussed, just historical references.

When someone is saying something about a subject I don't know much about, I shut my mouth. If I am interested I reserch it before I form an opinion. Yet all I read is unsupported opinions and personal ridicule, not that I care. The ignorance of others has no bearing on myself whatsoever

 

[Bodinki]

It's funny, folks that can't be arsed doing even a miniscule few hours of research show up, with google on another tab and say it's all wrong

I mean if you can't be arsed actually putting in the work, why would you bother getting into the debate one might wonder? Usually it's because people disagree because of their own perceived paradigm.

Anyone here read the wiki cables? documents? Snowden leaks? Biographies from key people? Chomsky? Harris? Thousands of regional historical accounts and local historians. Declassified documents.

The required reading is immense. No matter what the subject immediately every time I have people on my ass telling me I am wrong or it's a conspiracy theory when there is not even a conspiracy is being discussed, just historical references.

When someone is saying something about a subject I don't know much about, I shut my mouth. If I am interested I reserch it before I form an opinion. Yet all I read is unsupported opinions and personal ridicule, not that I care. The ignorance of others has no bearing on myself whatsoever

Shut up then



Just be privately proud as **** that you have everything right and everyone else is moronic, then we will all get along

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I did.
That's the word for someone who has extensive knowledge of a subject.

" The ignorance of experts" is a clear oxymoron. One can only assume Feynman was being ironic when he made that statement.

No that is not an expert lad, sorry. If I had studied politics and history and travelled around the world personally investigating, then I could be considered an expert.

But the reality is I am using the work of experts in forming my opinions, there is a world of difference, and you missed it

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Shut up then



Just be privately proud as **** that you have everything right and everyone else is moronic, then we will all get along

Well if everyone thinks I am talking nonsense, why are they so determined to argue with me for the past 4 years I know why, because it challenges how they see the world.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Well if everyone thinks I am talking nonsense, why are they so determined to argue with me for the past 4 years I know why, because it challenges how they see the world.

They're not arguing, they're encouraging

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

The 9\11 is nothing, your historical knowledge of the world is tragically lacking so you see the world differently.

When I grow up in western society hearing how moral and good we are and how bad the rest of the world is, then learn we are worse (governments) then yeah I am gonna ppint out the hypocracy.

This is my part of the world remember, I know little about quite a few countries I never talk about.

Your default position is a ludicrous propaganda stance of Russia is bad Iran is bad we are good.

You do the exact same thing I do, except you talk about a country you know nothing about, Russia. I know the history of the western nations very well indeed and they have caused more suffering around the world than any other nations on earth in the past several hundred years.

I point out all of the atrocities of the western saint nations because the media and academia will not do it, outlook s like yours are a result of that whitewash of real history. We have yards of Russia is bad stuff but no honesty about our own governments.


Now tell me who iran has attacked in last few hundred years?
Tell me the countries Russia has invaded and occupied and still occupies?
Tell me how many Russian bases are outside Russia?

The Crimea, for one.

"oh Russia kills people" whilst Milk forgets Obama is murdering children with Drones and American citizens without evidence trial conviction. Remind me how many official Russian assassination programs run around the world, As we speak Obama is building Drone bases secretly in Africa.
The UK has an official assassination program too, again no trial, no need to provide evidence.

Give me a ****ing break


Have you ever even heard of the Safari club?

I don't think anyone on here sees the world as polarised as 'US=good/Russia=bad', or indeed any facet of history like that. In fact, there's a preposterous versions of history that goes along the lines of 'Winners=bad, losers=victims/good'. That's not analysing: it's post-fact moralising. Look up the history of the country you live in, Sis, in regards to the USSR. How the Soviets signed a pact with Nazis and invaded it in '39 (and got their arses kicked!), and how they occupied it in '45. As it happened, as we'd just based Bomber Command in Norway they probably thought they had good reason to create Eastern Bloc 'buffer' states. As it happens, the west had every right to be wary of a victorious Stalin with 100's of divisions occupying all of eastern and central Europe.

Bloody complex, geopolitics, isn't it?

 

[saintanton]

No that is not an expert lad, sorry. If I had studied politics and history and travelled around the world personally investigating, then I could be considered an expert.

But the reality is I am using the work of experts in forming my opinions, there is a world of difference, and you missed it

There's so much irony in that I wouldn't know where to begin.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

They're not arguing, they're encouraging

Maybe you are right I don't need encouragement I think that's pretty clear

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

There's so much irony in that I wouldn't know where to begin.

Classic copout which proves my point about people not being arsed to be informed, just arsed enough to tell me they disagree