Deano gets it spectacularly wrong...

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Fez said:
I disagree. There are choices, options. Step away from the club, step away from football, live to your means; stop trying to be the big I am. A touch of reality, a smidgeon of honesty and an infusion of humility. He's not the only one to have a few knocks, big or not so big; plenty of others just get on with it.

How os he in the ****? He has a job, a new bird and fame; what more does he want, except our hard earned?
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I can't tell if you're wondering is Dean a good man or not. He really is.
 
Kempton said:
I can't tell if you're wondering is Dean a good man or not. He really is.
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I'm not wondering anything. I've known a few Dean Windass charactors. A key thing for him was finishing in Hull, his home city. If any of us do a job we have to adapt to it. I'm not judging him or his life, as, if you knew me you would laugh at that. But he has the job, I'd come to terms with it, but he really should not do what he is doing. If people are staying stop, then you have to ask would a good guy do so. Is he a good man? Perhaps not, maybe more of a bit of a lad.
 
Fez said:
I'm a little surprised by your logic.

But first, to be clear, I see no point in an in-ground protest as I think that, for the final game, a simple decision to stay away is all that is called for - but I totally understand those who want to go and those who wish to protest

But anyway, back to your logic.

Maybe if we ask ourselves why people pay to support. Is it because they want a team that battles and will try to win through? Do the supporters feel involved and want to get onside with their team and club? I know supporters is a broadish brush term, but I think the majority feel like that.

The team were given belief by a new manager and some fresh blood in the ranks. The situation was grim and the manager asked for support in the fight against relegation. He got support and not negative protest. We are relegated, all bets are off and protest is legit once more, for those who wish to do it. I don't find that at all confusing.
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Fair enough
I don't completely agree, but I see where you're coming from

Doesn't resolve the question about what it looks like to others though, and I think it looks a bit crap protesting when you've gone down rather protesting when you're at home to a 'big' club in the middle of the season
 
balkan tiger said:
The next opportunity for a protest at the ground when there is a meaningful game with a few thousand there is about 3 months away. Last weekends press coverage by and large reported about the bad start we had and the reasons why, a protest now could build on that.
The season is over so unless someone gets very creative and comes up with an out of the box idea we are looking at 3 months of nothing more than moaning on here and maybe a few letters in the HDM.
By the time a new season gets near we will have a manager, some outs and hopefully some ins, there will be talk of new prospective buyers, maybe even some token concessions and the majority of fans will come out with the old i'm supporting the team not the regime line. This will be spun by the Allams (again) and the cycle begins again. "if you don't like it don't go" "boycotting is the only real protest" and on and on and on.
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I see that, and as I said I'm always happy to protest (about most things!)
My point really was that I don't think protesting should have stopped in the first place
 
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balkan tiger said:
The red card thing was the first and only thing that got everyone on the same side, should have kept that up even though that was also near the end of the season.
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By far the most effective, and was great 'branding' so whenever they came out, at home, away...at Wembley!... everyone would have known exactly what they meant
 
dennisboothstash said:
Fair enough
I don't completely agree, but I see where you're coming from

Doesn't resolve the question about what it looks like to others though, and I think it looks a bit crap protesting when you've gone down rather protesting when you're at home to a 'big' club in the middle of the season
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I think the main thrust of the protests, that did take place, was to emphasise the general desire of the supporters for the owners to sell up and stop being ****s.

They didn't sell, they said it was on hold until the end of the season - it's the end of the season. :emoticon-0105-wink:

Protest, on those terms, was pointless and self-defeating, when combined with the rallying call of the manager. It was all very clear in the time-line.

It was done correctly and if there are those who can't se that then **** em. It took most a very long time to catch on to the Allam's ****isness, so why worry? We know who we are, we'll die and protest when we want, ta. <ok>
 
Fez said:
I think the main thrust of the protests, that did take place, was to emphasise the general desire of the supporters for the owners to sell up and stop being ****s.

They didn't sell, they said it was on hold until the end of the season - it's the end of the season. :emoticon-0105-wink:

Protest, on those terms, was pointless and self-defeating, when combined with the rallying call of the manager. It was all very clear in the time-line.

It was done correctly and if there are those who can't se that then **** em. It took most a very long time to catch on to the Allam's ****isness, so why worry? We know who we are, we'll die and protest when we want, ta. <ok>
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I'm not worried in the slightest

Silva would have been just as happy with a noisy stadium that protested too mind you...his main issue at first was that no one was there

Anyway I'm fine with protesting...so what's to be done?
 
dennisboothstash said:
By far the most effective, and was great 'branding' so whenever they came out, at home, away...at Wembley!... everyone would have known exactly what they meant
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Posted at the time what a great idea it was, nothing to pay, nothing to join, no extra time to give up. Even those who were not shall we say radical would pick up and show the card if all those around them are doing it.
 
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dennisboothstash said:
I'm not worried in the slightest .........

.......... Anyway I'm fine with protesting...so what's to be done?
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Sorry, I thought you were when you said: "Doesn't resolve the question about what it looks like to others though" ..........

.............. nothing for me; as I said earlier in ground protests are pointless, on Saturday. Just don't go; but that's up to you.

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Fez said:
Sorry, I thought you were when you said: "Doesn't resolve the question about what it looks like to others though" ..........

.............. nothing for me; as I said earlier in ground protests are pointless, on Saturday. Just don't go; but that's up to you.

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No, I wasn't

But then again I thought you were supporting the idea of an in ground protest on Saturday so it just goes to show...
 
Maybe we should copy Newcastle fans, who after failing in their campaign to oust him, have stuck with their chairman, and look where they are now.


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dennisboothstash said:
No, I wasn't

But then again I thought you were supporting the idea of an in ground protest on Saturday so it just goes to show...
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Fair enough.

Fez said:
But first, to be clear, I see no point in an in-ground protest as I think that, for the final game, a simple decision to stay away is all that is called for - but I totally understand those who want to go and those who wish to protest
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But as I posted this, to you, I fail to see how you came to your final conclusion. Goes to show ...
 
Lincoln Tiger said:
Blimey...

He's not that daft. I spoke to him recently and he knows full well there are still issues. I assume his role provides some income and he knows what the gruesome twosome are like if you cross them. I'd guess a bit of self-preservation going on here.
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I actually think he is a bit daft :/
 
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dennisboothstash said:
Just things like you saying "We are relegated, all bets are off and protest is legit once more"
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Bloody hell Dennis; you ignore a very clear statement to make your own assumptions.

What has the line you quote got to do with my personal choice of whether to protest in the ground or not? It clearly spoke of the rights of others to protest, if they wish; just as , if you honestly left it in it's context, it responded to your comment about 'why now and not before?'.

You seem to have not read my original response to you, but are more likely just ignoring it for arguments sake. Enough, it is very clearly there to see and your mistake was fairly pointed out. Bye.
 
Fez said:
Bloody hell Dennis; you ignore a very clear statement to make your own assumptions.

What has the line you quote got to do with my personal choice of whether to protest in the ground or not? It clearly spoke of the rights of others to protest, if they wish; just as , if you honestly left it in it's context, it responded to your comment about 'why now and not before?'.

You seem to have not read my original response to you, but are more likely just ignoring it for arguments sake. Enough, it is very clearly there to see and your mistake was fairly pointed out. Bye.
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I wasn't arguing at all Fez...and it's certainly not a big deal
But I never once suggested that you were going to protest in the ground either
You just said you failed to see how I thought that you might be 'supporting the idea of an in ground protest' so I simply pointed out an example of why I thought that's what you meant. I think you say the same above too when you're talking about the rights of others to protest

But I'm more than happy to accept I might have misunderstood that. It really doesn't matter. It is probably just us both misunderstanding each other...yet again
 
Fez said:
Sorry, I thought you were when you said: "Doesn't resolve the question about what it looks like to others though" ..........

.............. nothing for me; as I said earlier in ground protests are pointless, on Saturday. Just don't go; but that's up to you.

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dennisboothstash said:
No, I wasn't

But then again I thought you were supporting the idea of an in ground protest on Saturday so it just goes to show...
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Any protest inside the KCOM on Saturday will be a waste of time...FACT
 
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