Darren Robinson

[mussiesredhat]

No need to be sarky, and read my follow up. Let's keep it friendly shall we? Just pointing out an important detail and difference.

Best wishes
LT

Not sarcy my friend. And sorry if i sound confrontational. Unfortunately I sometimes do come over that way on here. I didnt mean that but having worked at the fringes of the local media industry for much of my working life, i firmly believe that a news mans view of news if far different from that of the market they serve. Journalist ethics are an elitist set of values upheld some years ago, but now dumbed out of the contemporary 'profession' by a training regime far more academic than it needs to be.

i am an advocate of the opinion that news is no more than the output from a long production line of information processing, no better illustrated by the regular panic when a true breaking news story happens and the industry's inability to cope as it's 'news' tag suggests. Two quick relatively recent examples: the out break of the London (and other riots); and on a more local scale the muddle that ensued on the night that the Allams finally took over Hull City. The news production line is ok at current affairs, but so are the shopping bag ladies in Coin Op. It is bad at dealing with news.

By the way, my Professional background is in Marketing, both graduate and post graduate on a vast number of products and services and news, funnily enough. I ve never worked in the print industry directly at all. I too do a bit of teaching now as the opportunities arise with 30 odd years under me belt.

 

[Lincoln Tiger]

Ah ha... marketing - we should talk! Happy to receive a PM?

I wouldn't disagree at all with the 'production line' point you've made. Though I maintain there is a difference between the Beeb and commercial and broadcast/newspapers in terms of standards and approach. As I said, I used to make features and documentaries 'programmes' (occasionally still do) and much of that has gone or replaced by hard news based stuff. For what it matters, I actually think most journalists are self serving arses and I constantly battle with my journo colleagues at the uni. There's a crisis in journalism anyway as citizen journos and blogs rapidly 'fill in the gaps' for many who eschew traditional forms of news (mainly the young). Some uni's are even getting rid of UG Journo courses!

Let me know if you're happy to receive a PM!

Cheers

 

[mussiesredhat]

Ah ha... marketing - we should talk! Happy to receive a PM?

I wouldn't disagree at all with the 'production line' point you've made. Though I maintain there is a difference between the Beeb and commercial and broadcast/newspapers in terms of standards and approach. As I said, I used to make features and documentaries 'programmes' (occasionally still do) and much of that has gone or replaced by hard news based stuff. For what it matters, I actually think most journalists are self serving arses and I constantly battle with my journo colleagues at the uni. There's a crisis in journalism anyway as citizen journos and blogs rapidly 'fill in the gaps' for many who eschew traditional forms of news (mainly the young). Some uni's are even getting rid of UG Journo courses!

Let me know if you're happy to receive a PM!

Cheers

by all means PM. we may even know one another

 

[kirkellatiger]

Personally I wouldn't say there is a crisis in journalism what so ever. In fact I'd say it's as hot as ever however the old hacks seem to hate it. It's more to do with journalism developing and changing with the times. Yep, of course traditional methods of journalism has gone out of the window and perhaps they should. Citizen journalism HAS become news and this is what makes it so interesting. Anyone can become a journalist and everyone has an opinion. 'Filling in the gaps" is a little harsh in terms of citizen journalism. Look at how many stories have being made from it. This is why on here (and elsewhere) we hear the "he said, she said" kind of stuff and as much as we know it's sometimes BS we all love the speculation and discussion.

Also, the Beeb do have their own approach to news in comparison to elsewhere as they hold their own individual guidelines to ethics etc etc

 

[Lincoln Tiger]

Personally I wouldn't say there is a crisis in journalism what so ever. In fact I'd say it's as hot as ever however the old hacks seem to hate it. It's more to do with journalism developing and changing with the times. Yep, of course traditional methods of journalism has gone out of the window and perhaps they should. Citizen journalism HAS become news and this is what makes it so interesting. Anyone can become a journalist and everyone has an opinion. 'Filling in the gaps" is a little harsh in terms of citizen journalism. Look at how many stories have being made from it. This is why on here (and elsewhere) we hear the "he said, she said" kind of stuff and as much as we know it's sometimes BS we all love the speculation and discussion.



Also, the Beeb do have their own approach to news in comparison to elsewhere as they hold their own individual guidelines to ethics etc etc

Sorry Kirkellatiger, I was being slightly louche with my terms. By crisis - slightly overblown word - I meant those changes you cite. Falling circulation, newspapers closing down and paywalls, the erosion of certain gatekeepers etc My point about filling the gap, is that as 57% of 15-24 take their 'news' in whatever form from the internet as opposed to traditional forms.

 

[WhittlingStick]

this is a bit from todays HDM ...

Last night, one bookmaker re-opened the betting with Bruce still remaining favourite, but with former Preston and Nottingham Forest manager Billy Davies second favourite.

That came after reports wrongly suggested City's performance manager Darren Robinson, who served under Davies at Forest and is believed to have had input into the manager search, had been handed a more senior role.

Brentford manager Uwe Rosler was linked again over the weekend, but has not been approached by City, the Mail has been told.

hahahaaaa i wonder where that came from

 

[originallambrettaman]

I think it is the PR company the Allam's use, they have been mentioned before.

I find it hard to believe that the Allam's have a PR company.

If I was cost cutting at the club, they'd be the first to go, they're bloody useless.