CTWD response to the OSC declining a joint statement to the FA
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& you believe changing the name of the club to Hull Tigers will attract a couple of hundred overseas students? Honestly?
I can't believe you actually posted that.
You think we increase our revenue by £15-20m by selling shirts to Asian students?
10,000 extra seats, 3.4m per year in revenue
Two hotels, and a retail centre twice the size of St Andrews. 23m per year
After paying the loans, the taxes and the management how much would be left.
To buy a 20% share holding 10000 monthly payments of £25 for five years.
To buy the club for a pound and run it for a year in the PL? Mortgaging the TV money. Still leaves the loan to be repaid.
To do this without Assem Allam, impossible.
To do this with Assem Allam hard working on paper possible, but even if the council gives away the KC and its environs the fact is that there is not the demand for the hotels or retail areas and cheaper alternatives are available in Hull. Two things changed, we got promoted and the club and supporters became embroiled in the name change.
Nothing positive can come out of the current situation and to be honest looking to supporters to fund an investment stream in the PL is plain silly.
There are ways to bring in the investment needed and at some point there may be a chance to put them forward to the club, but whilst this **** is happening, there is little point. We as a club are not attractive to investors.
Two hotels, and a retail centre twice the size of St Andrews. 23m per year
After paying the loans, the taxes and the management how much would be left.
To buy a 20% share holding 10000 monthly payments of £25 for five years.
To buy the club for a pound and run it for a year in the PL? Mortgaging the TV money. Still leaves the loan to be repaid.
To do this without Assem Allam, impossible.
To do this with Assem Allam hard working on paper possible, but even if the council gives away the KC and its environs the fact is that there is not the demand for the hotels or retail areas and cheaper alternatives are available in Hull. Two things changed, we got promoted and the club and supporters became embroiled in the name change.
Nothing positive can come out of the current situation and to be honest looking to supporters to fund an investment stream in the PL is plain silly.
There are ways to bring in the investment needed and at some point there may be a chance to put them forward to the club, but whilst this **** is happening, there is little point. We as a club are not attractive to investors.
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not a lots making me smile right now , i even got all grumpy over the Prank call thread
Maybe we can be big in Japan :/
not a lots making me smile right now , i even got all grumpy over the Prank call thread
Maybe we can be big in Japan :/
my reply was in response to your flippant easyjet response, . if we need major investment if allam leaves the club a fans' buyout is not the realistic answer as fans do not have the finances and put even 3 fans together and they will not come to a sensible decision where they all agree to the same thing
No PLT, I say that as if we do require a new owner, we need the best we can find. ideally one who has supported Hull for a number of years and not one who like previous owners (think back to before Allam)
How do you now it is far easier to increase income locally?Could you enlighten us why teams spend so much time courting foreign fans.Maybe they need your insight to realise they are OBVIOUSLY getting things so wrong.
This is like a debate at a youth club with people thinking they know things just because it fits with their own narrow agenda.
Seriously you younger guys-beware of some of the FACTS spouted by some of the elders on here.They may not be facts at all.
Having looked at various development projects and the rental returns, it is unlikely that there could be a retail development that would or could produce enough return to sustain a football club in the Premier League. Hull City has few assets that are property based and even a 36k seater KC would only produce an additional 3.4m per year, if we remain in the PL.
Omega.I do not see any reason to expand the stadium to anywhere near that figure.Even in 65-66 when we had good crowds -the following seasons saw the crowds dwindle despite promotion.20000 in a 30000 stadium is awful-except when we have to allow 7000 plastics I to outshout us in the big games
You have hit the nail on the head. We don't fill the Kc now, so building a bigger stadium would not work and even if we did attract the punters in, 20 or so times a year would not bring enough money in. So plans that include a stadium extension have little chance.
We shouldn't be so small time. We have a huge catchment area, why do we only have 15,000 or so permanent fans? The club should be doing more to bring in new fans.
This is the crux of part of the reason for my change from Hull City is investable.
Part of the reason is the damage done by the name change debate. Actually from both sides. Owner vs Supporter not by the way Owner vs CTWD.
No matter what the truth is Assem Allam has done a Ratner.
But if he had bought and expanded the KC, developed West Park and Walton Street and still got us into the PL (with the help of Steve Bruce) the problem would just have moved on by around three or four years.
The row would have changed into what is and what is not a community asset for the stadium, imagine having bought your council house and putting an extension on it just to find that you can only sell it back to the council? Imagine putting in a plan to build a five star hotel and retail outlets and finding that you have to spend more on the infrastructure of the area than the site could ever be worth. Or worse still that another project that does not need the infrastructure spend is planned just a mile or so away.
The gamble of buying the club would have hit the buffers.
We cannot fill the stadium now, because football, Hull City or Assem Allam do not attract supporters in Hull unless its a big match.
The overseas market could be the one area that we can become attractive, but not in shirt sales or branding but in another innovative means of bringing investment in. Only trouble is that I don't think Assem Allam knows just what it is yet.
Part of the reason is the damage done by the name change debate. Actually from both sides. Owner vs Supporter not by the way Owner vs CTWD.
No matter what the truth is Assem Allam has done a Ratner.
But if he had bought and expanded the KC, developed West Park and Walton Street and still got us into the PL (with the help of Steve Bruce) the problem would just have moved on by around three or four years.
The row would have changed into what is and what is not a community asset for the stadium, imagine having bought your council house and putting an extension on it just to find that you can only sell it back to the council? Imagine putting in a plan to build a five star hotel and retail outlets and finding that you have to spend more on the infrastructure of the area than the site could ever be worth. Or worse still that another project that does not need the infrastructure spend is planned just a mile or so away.
The gamble of buying the club would have hit the buffers.
We cannot fill the stadium now, because football, Hull City or Assem Allam do not attract supporters in Hull unless its a big match.
The overseas market could be the one area that we can become attractive, but not in shirt sales or branding but in another innovative means of bringing investment in. Only trouble is that I don't think Assem Allam knows just what it is yet.
We are half way through the season. We are 10th. We have just bought an international striker and have a team that is playing some of the best football I have seen against some of the best teams in the world. In the 70s, 80s and 90s busloads of people from Hull travelled the country watching First Division football in Leeds and Liverpool because those teams were successful. Yet some people say we cannot fill a 30,000 to 35,000 seat stadium because we couldn't do it in the 60s or Hull doesn't watch association football. What utter rubbish.
An extra 10,000 people doesn't just bring in ticket revenue they buy shirts and other goods from the club shop, they spend money on the concourses, they own businesses that may sponsor the club or individual players, and they may one day want to own the club and join a supporters trust. None of this has happened because nobody tells him how to run his business.
An extra 10,000 people doesn't just bring in ticket revenue they buy shirts and other goods from the club shop, they spend money on the concourses, they own businesses that may sponsor the club or individual players, and they may one day want to own the club and join a supporters trust. None of this has happened because nobody tells him how to run his business.
Thank the lord the council didnt "gift" Allam the stadium to build his "extension to his house"