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People need to take personal responsibility. Not everything is the Governments fault, no matter how incompetent they are.

Blame culture is the new norm. If you didn't follow the rules, you are responsible for us going into tier 4.

nailed it.

government should say a big **** you to councils and just crack on and bring a law In like the US banning alcohol consumption on the streets. That would stop the punks with their cheap cider spreading their filth.
 
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Shouldn’t local councils take the lead on enforcement? Or at the very least shout about it to the government? These Labour councils cry like little bitches that they don’t have many powers yet don’t help themselves when **** goes down on their door steps.

****s swarming round the monument and their ilk are the reason businesses are going pop left right and centre.

I really hate the people In this country at times and what society has become.

Some London councils did try bringing in stricter rules and the government threatened them with legal action. This shouldn't be about Councils v Government though. There are people on both sides trying to score political points out of this and none of it helps.

You're 100% right about it being down to people acting like idiots. And there is a lot of it going on. Some of it is blatant, but a lot of people who are mostly following the rules still think "well this one time won't hurt" and maybe meet up with friends or family members that don't strictly fall within their bubble. We all need to take this far more seriously. However, some people need to wake up and start taking it seriously in the first place instead of looking for conspiracy theories or excuses to stretch the rules.
 
Some London councils did try bringing in stricter rules and the government threatened them with legal action. This shouldn't be about Councils v Government though. There are people on both sides trying to score political points out of this and none of it helps.

You're 100% right about it being down to people acting like idiots. And there is a lot of it going on. Some of it is blatant, but a lot of people who are mostly following the rules still think "well this one time won't hurt" and maybe meet up with friends or family members that don't strictly fall within their bubble. We all need to take this far more seriously. However, some people need to wake up and start taking it seriously in the first place instead of looking for conspiracy theories or excuses to stretch the rules.

One of neighbours, about 4 houses down had her daughter around this morning. Bearing in mind the neighbour lives with her husband and young son and the daughter lives in another household with her fiancee.

First day of tier 4 and that happens. If she goes back I am shopping them.
 
One of neighbours, about 4 houses down had her daughter around this morning. Bearing in mind the neighbour lives with her husband and young son and the daughter lives in another household with her fiancee.

First day of tier 4 and that happens. If she goes back I am shopping them.
Mi have similar across the road. Every day a different car rocks up.. she’s either on the game or giving zero ****s about everyone else.
 
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One of neighbours, about 4 houses down had her daughter around this morning. Bearing in mind the neighbour lives with her husband and young son and the daughter lives in another household with her fiancee.

First day of tier 4 and that happens. If she goes back I am shopping them.
You'll probably get a feeble excuse from plod as to why they can't do anything.
 
The PL need to make an example of someone here and ban them for the remainder of the season with the threat of anyone else found guilty of it facing the same sanctions...****ing dickheads.

These overpaid twats are meant to be setting an example. In fact they are giving thickos a paper thin excuse to do the same (in their own minds).
 
Now if only there was someone who Boris Johnson could've made an example of right at the beginning........

WOAH there, hold your horses. You're not allowed to highlight factual hypocrisy so please roll for your counter comment of choice:

1 - Remoaner
2 - Left-wing Looney
3 - It's only because Cummins got under your skin
4 - Snowflake
5 - Project Fear
6 - No actually you're the racist because... reasons
 
WOAH there, hold your horses. You're not allowed to highlight factual hypocrisy so please roll for your counter comment of choice:

1 - Remoaner
2 - Left-wing Looney
3 - It's only because Cummins got under your skin
4 - Snowflake
5 - Project Fear
6 - No actually you're the racist because... reasons

you missed off beeler and Corbyn Batty boy. There will be a few more on your list comrade.
 
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WOAH there, hold your horses. You're not allowed to highlight factual hypocrisy so please roll for your counter comment of choice:

1 - Remoaner
2 - Left-wing Looney
3 - It's only because Cummins got under your skin
4 - Snowflake
5 - Project Fear
6 - No actually you're the racist because... reasons
Project Fear. Where's the NHS money Boris? Where is it! All is leavers so totally believed you
 
There's nowt like a CovidSmokingIdiot - I popped into my local Asda this morning. A woman (in her 60s) was standing outside puffing insouciantly on a cancer stick. The mild breeze that was present meant I had to walk through a tunnel of passive smoke to get into the store. I waited a few seconds in the vain hope that she wouldn't exhale thus allowing me unhindered access. However, much to my obvious disgust, she just puffed away, desperate for her nicotine hit. I thought **** it and pinched my nose as I walked in. I saw her ten minutes later in the store, where she was wearing a lanyard, presumably to say she didnt need to wear a mask in-store. Oh the smoker irony <laugh>
 
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No mate, not a shred.

"In general, active room ventilation and the ubiquitous wearing of face masks (i.e., by all subjects) may reduce the individual infection risk by a factor of five to ten, similar to high-volume, high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filtering."
https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-85095590849&origin=resultslist&sort=cp-f&src=s&st1=Face mask viral load&st2=&sid=9919895baa393f4078312fc1d29d46a6&sot=b&sdt=b&sl=35&s=TITLE-ABS-KEY(Face mask viral load)&relpos=9&citeCnt=0&searchTerm=
DOI: 10.3390/ijerph17218114

" A mask documented to be loosely fitting by a PortaCount fit tester, to simulate how masks are worn by healthcare workers, blocked entry of 68.5% of total virus and 56.6% of infectious virus"
https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-84861038567&origin=resultslist&sort=cp-f&src=s&st1=Face mask viral load&st2=&sid=9919895baa393f4078312fc1d29d46a6&sot=b&sdt=b&sl=35&s=TITLE-ABS-KEY(Face mask viral load)&relpos=0&citeCnt=68&searchTerm=
DOI: 10.1093/cid/cis237

"N95 mask was more effective than surgical mask in preventing expelled air leakage during patient's coughing but there was still significant sideway leakage to 15 cm." (Note - this is keeping doctors safe during aerosol generating procedures at a range of 15cm. Compare that to walking about at 2m...)
https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-84891144308&origin=resultslist&sort=cp-f&src=s&st1=Face mask viral load&st2=&sid=9919895baa393f4078312fc1d29d46a6&sot=b&sdt=b&sl=35&s=TITLE-ABS-KEY(Face mask viral load)&relpos=2&citeCnt=31&searchTerm=
DOI: 10.3978/j.issn.2072-1439.2013.06.18

"Due to uncertainty of the main transmission routes, the infection control policies faced with more challenges. The possible main route of transmission is thought to be the close contact and respiratory droplets. Therefore, it is necessary to maintain physical distance and using the facemask"
https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-85094564584&origin=resultslist&sort=cp-f&src=s&st1=Face mask viral load&st2=&sid=9919895baa393f4078312fc1d29d46a6&sot=b&sdt=b&sl=35&s=TITLE-ABS-KEY(Face mask viral load)&relpos=10&citeCnt=0&searchTerm=
DOI: 10.1016/j.nmni.2020.100778

"The method used in this study was to measure the change in relative humidity when wearing a mask, compared to no mask, in various scenarios, based on the assumption that as the virus is air-borne the smaller the increase in humidity the less the spread of the virus. The results above show that the use of a mask, excluding some simple home-made ones, significantly reduces the spread of humidity."
https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-85088657418&origin=resultslist&sort=cp-f&src=s&st1=Face mask viral load&st2=&sid=9919895baa393f4078312fc1d29d46a6&sot=b&sdt=b&sl=35&s=TITLE-ABS-KEY(Face mask viral load)&relpos=13&citeCnt=0&searchTerm=
DOI: 10.1080/03091902.2020.1797198

"this review revealed that thorough hand washing with antiseptic soap and running water and usage of alcohol hand sanitizer, frequent surfaces cleaning, strict adherence to social distancing, regular respiratory hygiene, wearing of protective face masks, frequent testing, self-isolation, quarantine and rigorous contact tracing will help to prevent further spread, and control the transmission of the viral pathogen."
https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-85090926887&origin=resultslist&sort=cp-f&src=s&st1=Face mask viral load&st2=&sid=9919895baa393f4078312fc1d29d46a6&sot=b&sdt=b&sl=35&s=TITLE-ABS-KEY(Face mask viral load)&relpos=16&citeCnt=0&searchTerm=
DOI: 10.18683/germs.2020.1208

"The use of face masks in public ... presumptively decreases the viralload and contributes to a favourable clinical outcome in COVID-19 disease."
https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-85087321091&origin=resultslist&sort=cp-f&src=s&st1=Face mask viral load&st2=&sid=9919895baa393f4078312fc1d29d46a6&sot=b&sdt=b&sl=35&s=TITLE-ABS-KEY(Face mask viral load)&relpos=18&citeCnt=0&searchTerm=
DOI: 10.21101/cejph.a6290

"Some international studies have also demonstrated the efficacy of surgical masks in preventing respiratory virus transmission. For example, in 2008, a randomised, controlled clinical trial study from Australia showed that surgical masks had efficacious protective efficacy of over 80% against the transmission of respiratory viruses.6 In 2011, Jefferson et al7 found that wearing a mask or N95 respirator might reduce respiratory virus infection. More recently, researchers from South Korea studied four patients infected with COVID-19 and found that surgical masks helped prevent the spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 and reduced the viral load of a cough.8"
https://www.hkmj.org/abstracts/v26n3/267.htm
DOI: 10.12809/hkmj208566


Not a shred. No evidence at all, particularly when compared to the magnificent scientific brains of Eric Clapton and Van Morrison.


I won't go through but I assume these all peer reviewed studies? Can't read any of those, think you must be signed up to it.

I have read a peer reviewed study though that suggested there was very limited benefit if any. I assume there are other counter studies that say the same thing. I suppose it all depends which scientist you choose to believe. It also depends how you interpret each study, again a subjective thing as borne out by the Danish study into mask use.

Seems to be common theme throughout this 'pandemic'

Maybe less condescending is a good way to go. But again this is what we have with this situ. I know I'm right about this so **** off all other opinions.