Off Topic Coronavirus

[johnsonsbaby]

Speaking of the American approach to vaccination, interesting to see that on the same day Biden announces mandates, Harris says that the government shouldn't be interfering with wellbeing decisions. Is she sensing that her time to step into the role is fast approaching and she's beginning to distance herself from some of his policies?

 

[Solid Air]

You're right, uptake of the vaccine has been politicised but not just the Republicans. Kamala Harris stood at the podium and said that if Trump was involved then she wasn't having the vaccine. Along comes a new administration and miraculously a new point of view - same vaccine, same manufacturer and everyone must have it. They were acting like Trump himself had manufactured it and now the same in reverse, Biden's pushing it so Republicans are reluctant to have it. Crazy.

not strictly true apparently

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

You're right, uptake of the vaccine has been politicised but not just the Republicans. Kamala Harris stood at the podium and said that if Trump was involved then she wasn't having the vaccine. Along comes a new administration and miraculously a new point of view - same vaccine, same manufacturer and everyone must have it. They were acting like Trump himself had manufactured it and now the same in reverse, Biden's pushing it so Republicans are reluctant to have it. Crazy.

yeah, really silly stuff.

Pfzier didn't take one red cent from trump. she should have been far more responsible.

The reality is we had similar where AZ was "oxford" therefore must be tops here but in EU it was dirt. the reality was it wasn't great all round but not that bad. There's still peoepl pushing oxford AZ like its a patriotic thing. the scientific facts shows the best vaccine and that's what people should use not patriotic flag waving.


on another note the politicisation of the poppy that's gone one for 20 years says it all. All the deaths and maiming's of our soldiers for what? but the politicians and bbc would shame another not branding the red poppy.

all of these things trigger the type of distrust people ought to have in the little red book in china or the party badges in nazi germany.

Its amazing how many don't even understand how a vaccine actually works

 

[Solid Air]

yeah, really silly stuff.

Pfzier didn't take one red cent from trump. she should have been far more responsible.

The reality is we had similar where AZ was "oxford" therefore must be tops here but in EU it was dirt. the reality was it wasn't great all round but not that bad. There's still peoepl pushing oxford AZ like its a patriotic thing. the scientific facts shows the best vaccine and that's what people should use not patriotic flag waving.


on another note the politicisation of the poppy that's gone one for 20 years says it all. All the deaths and maiming's of our soldiers for what? but the politicians and bbc would shame another not branding the red poppy.

all of these things trigger the type of distrust people ought to have in the little red book in china or the party badges in nazi germany.

Its amazing how many don't even understand how a vaccine actually works

AZ is perfectly decent vaccine as it is affordable and with easy storage and evidence is mounting that while Pfizer has greater efficacy originally it falls off at a much quicker rate than AZ

 

[Milky]

It looks like biden has given up on the land of the free stuff and has come up with a way to force companies to manage the vaccines.

companies over 100 need to have vaccinated staff or weekly covid tests.

Good. About time.

 

[Gerrardsitchyear]

Americans don't know what's in anything but they'll eat just about anything slopped up in front of them in kfc and dennys.

Trump said get the vaccine and said operation warp speed was all him and they booed. he never opened his mouth since.

the genie is out of the bottle and nobody is in control of the republican nutjobs any more. Its all self harm and conspiracies.

It is almost as if thye want to kill off all the older morons and hand power to the democrats lol.

I presume in general the democrat voters have a higher update as NBC sid a poll on this and 69% of adults said they are vaccinated and 13% no way no how.

I also noted that the exact opposite to the UK existed where actually less white people were dosed than minorities. they like the college graduated whites v what i assume they call white trash stat. 60% of non college graduated whites are dosed v 80% of college grads


88% of democrats were dosed but on 55% of republicans.

the crazy morons that support trump more than the GOP have even less dosed despite him saying to get it. only 46% of his morons are dosed.


It seems to me that by the time covid runs its course the balance of power in Florida could be affected (though the flood of morons and retirees form other states will probably prop this up until the entire place sinks under the sea due to global warming. florida on its own is up to about 50k deaths now

Wendy's is the place to be!

They used to have one in Victoria Station when i was a kid and it was the thing i most looked forward to on a trip to London. I was gutted when they closed down.

I gather they're coming back to the UK soon.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Wendy's is the place to be!

They used to have one in Victoria Station when i was a kid and it was the thing i most looked forward to on a trip to London. I was gutted when they closed down.

I gather they're coming back to the UK soon.

I've always avoided all of them. Wendy's is not as bad as McDonald's or burger kings in their airports though.

Everything in chains is ****e really.

Olive garden or all of those are depressing.

 

[Milky]

Wendy's is the place to be!

They used to have one in Victoria Station when i was a kid and it was the thing i most looked forward to on a trip to London. I was gutted when they closed down.

I gather they're coming back to the UK soon.

Wendy's is better than McDonalds/Burger King/Jack in the Box, etc... But has gone down hill alot. I used to like when they had the salad bar in them. Can still get chilli and baked potatoes from them though.

Cookout, Five Guys, Hardee's, Hwy 55... So many fastfood burger joint chains to choose from, you need never suffer Wendy's/McDonalds.


KFC is absolutely vile, you never see new KFCs in America anymore. They're always in rundown locations where you get shot five times a visit. Whenever you see new fastfood chicken now it's usually Bojangles or Popeyes or Chick-fil-A. KFC is dying a slow miserable painful death over here.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Wendy's is better than McDonalds/Burger King/Jack in the Box, etc... But has gone down hill alot. I used to like when they had the salad bar in them. Can still get chilli and baked potatoes from them though.

Cookout, Five Guys, Hardee's, Hwy 55... So many fastfood burger joint chains to choose from, you need never suffer Wendy's/McDonalds.


KFC is absolutely vile, you never see new KFCs in America anymore. They're always in rundown locations where you get shot five times a visit. Whenever you see new fastfood chicken now it's usually Bojangles or Popeyes or Chick-fil-A. KFC is dying a slow miserable painful death over here.

I dont get the KFC obsession over here. Like when it first came the disappointment that they didnt actually do a bucket of chicken was massive.

It's the lowest of the low. Popcorn chicken is offal and the coatings are inch thick cement.

Buy yeah chick fill a thingy is what I imagined when I got over there but yeah. We ended up looking for local stuff.

Subway no, Jake's subs yeah. That sort of stuff as you might as well support the little guy and get food poisoning as give the 1% more profit for a dose of salmonella.

What the chain of steakhouses, Texas Longhorn something? Dunno what the **** they were doing to beef but it was fairly much so tender you didnt need to chew.

 

[Milky]

I dont get the KFC obsession over here. Like when it first came the disappointment that they didnt actually do a bucket of chicken was massive.

It's the lowest of the low. Popcorn chicken is offal and the coatings are inch thick cement.

Buy yeah chick fill a thingy is what I imagined when I got over there but yeah. We ended up looking for local stuff.

Subway no, Jake's subs yeah. That sort of stuff as you might as well support the little guy and get food poisoning as give the 1% more profit for a dose of salmonella.

What the chain of steakhouses, Texas Longhorn something? Dunno what the **** they were doing to beef but it was fairly much so tender you didnt need to chew.

We have so many chicken chains here it's crazy... Almost as many chicken chains as burger chains and KFC is quite literally the worst. I literally don't know anyone who likes it... But obviously some people must, because they hang on in the ghettos and run down parts of towns.

There's quite a few steakhouse chains too. Texas Roadhouse is one, Longhorn is another. There might be one called Texas Longhorn too but I'm not familiar with that one.

I'm not a huge fan of steak though. I'm strange though... Never liked the flavour, I know I'm almost always the odd one out in that regard... I'll eat steak but I'd much rather fish or pork, or even chicken any day.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

We have so many chicken chains here it's crazy... Almost as many chicken chains as burger chains and KFC is quite literally the worst. I literally don't know anyone who likes it... But obviously some people must, because they hang on in the ghettos and run down parts of towns.

There's quite a few steakhouse chains too. Texas Roadhouse is one, Longhorn is another. There might be one called Texas Longhorn too but I'm not familiar with that one.

I'm not a huge fan of steak though. I'm strange though... Never liked the flavour, I know I'm almost always the odd one out in that regard... I'll eat steak but I'd much rather fish or pork, or even chicken any day.

Must have been longhorn.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

not strictly true apparently

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/

Yeh, I know the context because I watched some of the vice presidential debate where Pence accused Harris of undermining a vaccine and putting people off having it. Once in office Harris claimed that there was no vaccine available until they took over despite the fact that millions had already had it. It's like they don't know that claims like that can be easily checked. It's been hugely politicised.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

AZ is perfectly decent vaccine as it is affordable and with easy storage and evidence is mounting that while Pfizer has greater efficacy originally it falls off at a much quicker rate than AZ

There is a big difference in that Pfizer can be adapted and used for boosters but because of the nature of the AstraZeneca vaccine it can't be tweaked or used for boosters as an immunity can be built up to any further introduction of that particular vaccine into the body.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

There is a big difference in that Pfizer can be adapted and used for boosters but because of the nature of the AstraZeneca vaccine it can't be tweaked or used for boosters as an immunity can be built up to any further introduction of that particular vaccine into the body.

It.might take longer but the az model is adaptable.

The moderna and pfizer construct is very specific and a new tech so can be adapted quickly but there is just that one thing for the t cells to look for

In the end corona is adapting rapidly

 

[johnsonsbaby]

It.might take longer but the az model is adaptable.

The moderna and pfizer construct is very specific and a new tech so can be adapted quickly but there is just that one thing for the t cells to look for

In the end corona is adapting rapidly

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I remember seeing a medical article about boosters will only be done with Pfizer and Moderna. Maybe my reading up on it isn't up to date.

 

[Solid Air]

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I remember seeing a medical article about boosters will only be done with Pfizer and Moderna. Maybe my reading up on it isn't up to date.

i would be surprised if they don't use the AZ for the old folk who previously had Pfizer .

 

[johnsonsbaby]

i would be surprised if they don't use the AZ for the old folk who previously had Pfizer .

I haven't kept up to date with the latest position on boosters but from what you and mito are saying, it looks like it's moved along somewhat. Having had the Pfizer, I would be a little bit worried about having the AstraZeneca booster just because of some of the stories first time round. Having not had any choice so far on which one, I don't really want to have to make a choice which booster I want.

 

[Solid Air]

I haven't kept up to date with the latest position on boosters but from what you and mito are saying, it looks like it's moved along somewhat. Having had the Pfizer, I would be a little bit worried about having the AstraZeneca booster just because of some of the stories first time round. Having not had any choice so far on which one, I don't really want to have to make a choice which booster I want.

Both can give you blood clots but clots are fairly common once you reach a certain age . Part of the reasoning was there is some evidence from pre covid testing that alternating vaccines produces a better antibody response but it was a small trial iirc so wouldn't be considered "proof" .

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Both can give you blood clots but clots are fairly common once you reach a certain age . Part of the reasoning was there is some evidence from pre covid testing that alternating vaccines produces a better antibody response but it was a small trial iirc so wouldn't be considered "proof" .

I could see the benefits from having mixed vaccines but also think if some people are worried about the 'experimental ' nature of the vaccines then mixing them adds a whole new layer of doubt.

On top of all this, I've just had a letter to go get a 'once only' pneumonia jab. My arm will be like a pin cushion

 

[Solid Air]

I could see the benefits from having mixed vaccines but also think if some people are worried about the 'experimental ' nature of the vaccines then mixing them adds a whole new layer of doubt.

if you're having a booster i would say it's safe to assume you are over worries of experimental vaccines particularly those who are most in need i.e. the really old who did actually have an experimental vaccine i,e. Pfizer