Hmm, well as Churchill said, it's the worst system in the world: apart from all the others. The weak spot in democracy is that autocrats can use it to get to power, whereas autocracies are seldom overturned by democracy.
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Hmm, well as Churchill said, it's the worst system in the world: apart from all the others. The weak spot in democracy is that autocrats can use it to get to power, whereas autocracies are seldom overturned by democracy.
Only it wasn’t all advisory, hence the Coronavirus Act 2020
Not in his case it wasn’t, as he never got his collar felt for his completely non essential travel to Barnard Castle on his wife’s birthday.
To be fair the police have fined a fair few people, got people to turn their cars around and go home.
It's what pusses people off most, it was purely advisory for him, everyone else had to obey the rules.
No surprise, but it does piss people off to have their noses rubbed in it.
This is the problem and also the reason why politicians and ppl in power get away with the bollox we're seeing now. Apathy.
It's more than just some bloke driving to Durham. It's the hypocrisy, the lies and the unaccountability. We let them get away with this sort of ****e time and time again. And in the end the standards in our political system turn to muck.
Absolutely correct young man. They are supposed to be the best possible people to run the country. They should be held to the highest account, but people just cant be arsed, then act surprised when they do what they want with impunity
Then we're surprised they fiddle expenses, post crap about £300m on the side of a bus, or create dodgy dossiers to invade other countries. Lying ****ers (and he must be ****er supremo given his supposed eyesight problems) is the thin end of the wedge for all that is cynical and ****e about politics in this country.
Not so young btw
Because I couldn't give a **** about debating one persons actions?
I never said it was right or wrong, I said I couldn't be arsed with the debate!
Then we're surprised they fiddle expenses, post crap about £300m on the side of a bus, or create dodgy dossiers to invade other countries. Lying ****ers (and he must be ****er supremo given his supposed eyesight problems) is the thin end of the wedge for all that is cynical and ****e about politics in this country.
Not so young btw
What annoys me is that people arnt surprised, but are resigned to the thought that the people that they elect are basically crooks. Yet do absolutely **** all about it.
Young man is a much nicer thing to be called than arl bastard.
Because I couldn't give a **** about debating one persons actions?
I never said it was right or wrong, I said I couldn't be arsed with the debate!
Fair enough
You know I'm less fcked off with what Cummings done than I am about the lies and disingenuous mendacity of him and the ****s around him trying defend his actions. The fact that two people were expected to resign over similar misdemeanors and he can use semantics to get out of it. But anyway... rant over.
Fair enough
You know I'm less fcked off with what Cummings done than I am about the lies and disingenuous mendacity of him and the ****s around him trying defend his actions. The fact that two people were expected to resign over similar misdemeanors and he can use semantics to get out of it. But anyway... rant over.
As I said to begin with, the entire thing as been a joke. We live on a ****ing island, it should have been piss easy to keep people safe ffs
Fair enough
You know I'm less fcked off with what Cummings done than I am about the lies and disingenuous mendacity of him and the ****s around him trying defend his actions. The fact that two people were expected to resign over similar misdemeanors and he can use semantics to get out of it. But anyway... rant over.
This is it, I'm sure there are plenty who have been flouting lockdown and haven't been caught ... they shouldn't be, Cummings shouldn't be, it probably hasn't made much difference to the stats, but it's more about principle and the levels that this guy and the people around him are obviously operating at, the shamelessness of their dishonesty, fabrications and utter evasiveness on pretty much everything they're ever asked about, particularly what the pandemic and lockdown has exposed them as and sort of magnified, I say exposed but if you're as cynical as I am, and I think this remains the best and most shrewd position with anything in regards to politics in the UK and abroad, then it's not a surprise at all, so if they're letting this slide then what other shadiness has been going on during lockdown that's yet to come out
I've been out and about every single day for the last eight weeks. At first I was seeing several police cars / officers patrolling each day, I can't remember the last time I saw one! Despite my travelling being legitimate, not once did I get questioned either!
The problem is that there is enough shadiness out in the open and apart from a momentary shock and outrage, there's nothing that comes of it. The worst one being the treatment of the elderly in care homes. How the fck can any government get away with that? The times we live in, there is absolutely zero pressure on any of these ****s except internally from their colleagues.
One of the Grade A prime cut examples of a slimy piece of **** who epitomises the very worst of politics is that limp-wristed, snivelling cockroach that is Matt Hancock. When Neil Ferguson had to resign from SAGE because his perfectly healthy gf was coming round to his during lockdown, that insecure disingenuous prick in an attempt to look tough called for him to be investigated by the police. This same **** is now defending Cummings to the hilt.
This ^
They made the rules, they needed everyone to follow those rules, and the vast majority did. Cummings chose not to, and got caught out. His arse shouldn’t have touched the floor on his way out of No.10.
But instead we that charade today. An unelected advisor holding court in the garden of No.10, trying to lie his way out of his error of judgements. Whilst being backed by the PM and the majority of his more mailable MP’s.
When you allow liars to prosper then this is the result. What’s galling is the element of their support who cheer on these lies, knowing they’re being lied to, but somehow loving it, as they think ‘the other side’ hate it. It’s the most bizarre age of politics in this country.
It's actually f*cking disgusting just how far standards have fallen for an individual to attain high political office or be a statesperson nowadays, and it's not like that bar was so high in the past during previous iterations of governments and political eras, I mean it was scraping concrete really, now it's just been buried and encased in it along with all the endless diatribe of bullshit they want us to forget about and not see. The people supporting it are as terrible too. It's simple for me, I just want to see integrity, that's the fundamental thing, and it goes for left and right and all points in between. It's a scarcity normally, right now it just doesn't seem to be in evidence at all.
Politics in this country has always been corrupt, from the time of the "rotten boroughs" through to today. In the past most MP's were either landed gentry/businessmen in the case of the Tories or in the case of Labour union representatives who wanted to change working conditions with the odd Grammar school boy who considered the world unfair and wanted change.
Today most MP's have never experienced the real world. For all parties it is straight out of university into the London bubble of Parliament, the majority come from the same middle/upper class background whatever the party and just want to get their noses in the trough.
What Cummings did was clearly wrong, indefensible hypocrisy comes to mind.
I would be interested to hear any views on what he should have done in the situation. It doesn't look like he explored any other options.
I would be interested to hear any views on what he should have done in the situation. It doesn't look like he explored any other options.