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Boris...

  • should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • let the bodies stack high

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
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brb said:
I think with Boris' idea it's three different rules, with added confusion until they put up the website to check your postcode. I think with Starmers idea, everyone gets hit with the same rule, I think it's clearer and a cleaner cut for everyone to understand. However, I'm sitting on the fence because tbph I ain't got a fooking clue anymore. I'd probably favour Starmers stance if push come to shove.
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I don't think anyone will listen this time and if they continue trying to restrict people lives I can see it causing huge issues like an increase in crime and eventually looting.
 
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brb said:
I think with Boris' idea it's three different rules, with added confusion until they put up the website to check your postcode. I think with Starmers idea, everyone gets hit with the same rule, I think it's clearer and a cleaner cut for everyone to understand. However, I'm sitting on the fence because tbph I ain't got a fooking clue anymore. I'd probably favour Starmers stance if push come to shove.
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Starmer was merely backing what the SAGE committee had told the Govt 3 weeks ago.

The impact of the bits and bobs measures on the spread of the virus simply hasn’t been great enough and it’s still rising rapidly. Their suggestion of the 2 week lockdown makes sense as it stops the virus spreading exponentially as it is now & should put the R rate back down to a level where spread is more controllable.

We had months to come up with an effective trace, track and isolate programme and functioning app. But they ****ed it up and torched £12BN in the process - quite how you manage to piss away that amount of money on an App that doesn’t work effectively is truly beyond me btw. I simply don’t understand the maths.
 
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Tory back bencher Brexiters suggesting that economic damage is not an acceptable price to pay for saving actual lives, when the very same ****wits have been claiming that economic damage caused in order to deliver their wretched ideological Unicorns is a perfectly acceptable price to pay. Get in the ****ing bin.
 
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luvgonzo said:
I don't think anyone will listen this time and if they continue trying to restrict people lives I can see it causing huge issues like an increase in crime and eventually looting.
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I think an increase in crime is inevitable now mate, because if people can't make ends meet, then they will do what they have to do. Wasn't it Italy where the supermarkets started getting targeted. I remember thinking at the time, that the supermarkets need to start giving out donation hampers to stop the looting, either take it out of your profits or tell the government to pay up. The cost of looting will cost far more than being charitable.
 
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brb said:
I think an increase in crime is inevitable now mate, because if people can't make ends meet, then they will do what they have to do. Wasn't it Italy where the supermarkets started getting targeted. I remember thinking at the time, that the supermarkets need to start giving out donation hampers to stop the looting, either take it out of your profits or tell the government to pay up. The cost of looting will cost far more than being charitable.
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I heard today on the radio, unemployment was at 1.5 million (that might be slightly out because it was on in the background so I'm speaking from memory). Having remembered a time when it was the norm for unemployment to be well over double that, I thought the figure now was less than I had expected. That's not to belittle those who have lost their jobs because I have nothing but sympathy for them. But somehow it seems worse now than then. Maybe it's because the welfare system is considerably less now or that incomes from certain pay sectors were low to begin with meaning many were below the poverty line anyway, so will be hit even harder.

And it's probably only just the start as well. Once the furlough ends I expect it will rise considerably (regardless of this 67% thing).
 
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I heard today on the radio, unemployment was at 1.5 million (that might be slightly out because it was on in the background so I'm speaking from memory). Having remembered a time when it was the norm for unemployment to be well over double that, I thought the figure now was less than I had expected. That's not to belittle those who have lost their jobs because I have nothing but sympathy for them. But somehow it seems worse now than then. Maybe it's because the welfare system is considerably less now or that incomes from certain pay sectors were low to begin with meaning many were below the poverty line anyway, so will be hit even harder.

And it's probably only just the start as well. Once the furlough ends I expect it will rise considerably (regardless of this 67% thing).
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If you’re thinking back to the 80’s and comparing it with then, then you’re comparing apples with pears, as the way the figures are calculated are nowhere near the same.

There’s still around 3m on furlough iirc, in 2 weeks time I’d expect a sizeable percentage of those poor souls to hit the figures I’m afraid.
 
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Treble said:
I heard today on the radio, unemployment was at 1.5 million (that might be slightly out because it was on in the background so I'm speaking from memory). Having remembered a time when it was the norm for unemployment to be well over double that, I thought the figure now was less than I had expected. That's not to belittle those who have lost their jobs because I have nothing but sympathy for them. But somehow it seems worse now than then. Maybe it's because the welfare system is considerably less now or that incomes from certain pay sectors were low to begin with meaning many were below the poverty line anyway, so will be hit even harder.

And it's probably only just the start as well. Once the furlough ends I expect it will rise considerably (regardless of this 67% thing).
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It's as Tobes said mate the figures are calculated different now. Basically the figures got massaged to bring the numbers down.
 
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brb said:
I think with Boris' idea it's three different rules, with added confusion until they put up the website to check your postcode. I think with Starmers idea, everyone gets hit with the same rule, I think it's clearer and a cleaner cut for everyone to understand. However, I'm sitting on the fence because tbph I ain't got a fooking clue anymore. I'd probably favour Starmers stance if push come to shove.
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With Boris "keep as many Wetherspoons open as possible" Johnson you also need to check the website every day.

Manchester and Lancashire are probably going Tier 3 tomorrow, and London going Tier 2 on Thursday.

It's obvious how things are going but they just set a completely arbitrary limit of 100 cases per 100k so they pretend it's fine to keep selling beer until the last possible moment.
 
The Conservatives have done badly, but so has many countries right across Europe. Even the German track and trace system is close to going bust.

Would Labour do any better than this shambles being put forward by the Conservatives? Nope.

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Covid is overrated, anyway.
 
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