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We see a lot of discussion on death rate over the virus. The stats I would like to see, and let's use Italy as an example, as they are our worst case scenario, how many people have died but did not catch the virus, but died as a result of the consequences of the virus in Italy?
Surely the figures given out are those that have died after testing positive. Other deaths not coronavirus related are probably not broadcast.
 
We see a lot of discussion on death rate over the virus. The stats I would like to see, and let's use Italy as an example, as they are our worst case scenario, how many people have died but did not catch the virus, but died as a result of the consequences of the virus in Italy?

No one knows yet. Perhaps we never will with much accuracy. Someone might have an op pushed back a month which they don’t make it through, for example. Arguably they were killed by Corona.
 
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Seems to be some chat coming out around the drug Hydroxychloroquine in the fight against the virus, this is a prescribed drug but would be readily available. It's an anti malarial drug also used in the fight against rheumatic pain.
 
Why would you be interested, it's probably a roundabout figure that accounts for average death rate, similar to the UK. Every country is going to have an increased death rate in light of the virus.

What the fook is a roundabout figure? <laugh>

The reason I was interested was because it was an alarming feed that came out of Italy. They were trying to get the message across, everyone is focusing on the virus...hence some complacency like we have seen in London, but they wanted to change the message to say, if you have a heart attack or a stroke or any other medical life threatening condition, those people will die, that may have stood a chance of surviving.
 
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My last comment was, of course, made “tongue-in-cheek,” but I do take issue with the projected number of deaths.

On the basis that it is a complete over exaggeration.

In many ways the number of deaths are an irrelevance, particularly for those affected. I know nothing of your own circumstances. I have no idea if you are married, have kids, parents still alive, etc, and I would certainly never wish harm on you or your loved ones. The following is just an example.

Imagine the following scenario where we give society the following choice. We could wave a magic wand and decide that only 10 people in this country needed to die and that life could go on as normal for everybody else, or have a magic wand that said we can shut everything down and all self isolate for 3 months, with potentially millions of people being affected economically but nobody would die. Most people would choose the first option when it is a faceless 10 people verses their own well-being. At least they would until we told them that the 10 people who die will be your wife/partner, your parents, your children and all your best friends. Then **** gets real. Regardless of numbers, this is the option we are giving society. We're just not in a position to let people know in advance if they are one of the winners or losers. On top of that, every bit of medical and scientific expertise being shared tells us this will be thousands and thousands of deaths if we do nothing.
 
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What the fook is a roundabout figure? <laugh>

The reason I was interested was because it was an alarming feed that came out of Italy. They were trying to get the message across, everyone is focusing on the virus...hence some complacency like we have seen in London, but they wanted to change the message to say, if you have a heart attack or a stroke or any other medical life threatening condition, those people will die, that may have stood a chance of surviving.
I would imagine it's a case of saving the ones that have no underlying issues across the board, virus related or not.
What I meant by roundabout figure, is average death rate per year.
 
Seems to be some chat coming out around the drug Hydroxychloroquine in the fight against the virus, this is a prescribed drug but would be readily available. It's an anti malarial drug also used in the fight against rheumatic pain.

They've known it helps reduce symptoms and possibly speed up recovery for a while.

This is from 6 weeks a go

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0

Research released yesterday showed those not in ICU recover within 6 days if given HCQ and a regular anti biotic

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Definitely going to help and I think is already being used in the far East.
 
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I would imagine it's a case of saving the ones that have no underlying issues across the board, virus related or not.
What I meant by roundabout figure, is average death rate per year.

I don't understand your first sentence?

My view is once a bed is taken it's taken if it's saving your life. So if those beds are all occupied by virus sufferers, then there will be no beds to save the everyday incidents which require urgent medical life saving expertise.
 
They've known it helps reduce symptoms and possibly speed up recovery for a while.

This is from 6 weeks a go

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0

Research released yesterday showed those not in ICU recover within 6 days if given HCQ and a regular anti biotic

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Definitely going to help and I think is already being used in the far East.

Cheers. It looks like according to SKY ticker that the drug HCQ is going to made ready for issue in America immediately.
 
Can I just ask, why are people still putting cards through doors <whistle>

Although the risk is very low, I thought the virus could still be spread by parcels, post, junk mail?

https://www.health.com/condition/in...virus/can-the-coronavirus-spread-through-mail


My brother, who is a postman, was informed on Monday that he and his colleagues are essential service workers, and that the Royal Mail needs them to keep working as long as they show no symptoms.

A few of them pointed how out no one was calling them that when they were being privatised. But still...
 
There are around 60+ countries that have zero infections. I can't find the list atm but I think Djibouti may be on it <diva>

Before the lockdown, get a ticket out there... not for 7 days, at least a year until it all blows over <ok>

Siberia too mate... don't forget to pack your Speedos <cheers>
 
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My brother, who is a postman, was informed on Monday that he and his colleagues are essential service workers, and that the Royal Mail needs them to keep working as long as they show no symptoms.

A few of them pointed how out no one was calling them that when they were being privatised. But still...

I still remember the days posties were up at the crack of dawn with the milk delivery, these days i don't see postie until mid morning and mikman are a thing of the past.
 
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Our school is staying open along with most other...cos the list of key workers is ****ing enormous.
Cleaners, cooks, delivery staff, everyone working in the NHS, everyone in education, refuse workers, fire fighters, shop staff, street cleaners, ware house staff, social services staff...and on and on it goes.
And the massive are turning up to work regardless of the risks to themselves <applause>

We have been asked to work though the Easter Holidays for free...all of us did not hesitate...am so proud of the team I work with.

We have 3 staff out of about 20 self isolating after coming into contact with the virus. And yet everyone comes in.

I am clinging onto these facts to balance out the stories of selfish behaviour, greed and profiteering.

Hope you're all well.
 
I don't understand your first sentence?

My view is once a bed is taken it's taken if it's saving your life. So if those beds are all occupied by virus sufferers, then there will be no beds to save the everyday incidents which require urgent medical life saving expertise.
If it's a young healthy person crippled by the virus as opposed to a 80 year old that's had a heart attack, they'll save young person. Harsh decisions, but as you say, can't pull intensive care beds out of a hat.
 
Our school is staying open along with most other...cos the list of key workers is ****ing enormous.
Cleaners, cooks, delivery staff, everyone working in the NHS, everyone in education, refuse workers, fire fighters, shop staff, street cleaners, ware house staff, social services staff...and on and on it goes.
And the massive are turning up to work regardless of the risks to themselves <applause>

We have been asked to work though the Easter Holidays for free...all of us did not hesitate...am so proud of the team I work with.

We have 3 staff out of about 20 self isolating after coming into contact with the virus. And yet everyone comes in.

I am clinging onto these facts to balance out the stories of selfish behaviour, greed and profiteering.

Hope you're all well.

Presumably all contractors providing services to the public sector will count as key workers for this purpose? That’s my assumption currently anyway which means loads of kids will still be at school.
 
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