Coronavirus

Thats why testing was needed
But the only way that would;d work is if everyone was tested at the same time

 

and without a vacine, it's pointless, or just another lockdown.

 

Coronavirus infections could grow "out of control" in the UK with a second spike leading to 120,000 deaths in a "reasonable worst-case scenario", ministers have been warned.

The forecast counts the number of people who could die in hospitals before next June and comes from a report commissioned by Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, released by the Academy of Medical Sciences.


It suggests a second spike could be more serious than the first, with the R rate - the average number of people someone with COVID-19 passes the virus on to - rising to 1.7 from September.

The current R number in the UK is 0.7-0.9.

https://news.sky.com/story/second-c...s-than-the-first-top-scientists-warn-12027912

 

this whole story just tell you everything about how ****ing stupid we are..

It's something i've said for the last 4 months..

Now they want fines etc ffs....this goverment is a shambbles. they just make it up as they go..

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-face-coverings-to-become-mandatory-in-english-shops-12027960

 

Comm's right they have been compulsory here since very early on and a lot of people wear them anyway - they have become quite a fashion item though now. Quite a few people wearing plastic visors as well as a mask plus surgical gloves.

10 press-up fine for being caught outdoors without a mask, compulsory washing hands (foot operated taps etc) before going in the malls, plus temperature check etc. I measured 33.2degC the other day. I tried to explain to the guy that either his instrument was faulty or they needed to treat me for hypothermia immediately but he just smiled and waved me on.

Gyms opened this week but you have to book an appointment through an app so that they can limit numbers. Schools now going to be shut until January apparently.

 

Looks like I'd better purchase some masks. Be interesting to see how enforced it is from shop to shop.

 

Will be good when it kicks off outside Morrisons.

 

Enforcement will be done by the Police apparently, so you’ll be refused entry without a mask and threatened with the old Bill if you kick off.

There’ll undoubtedly be some wonderful footage of those who were telling us that we should invoke the ‘Spirit of the Blitz’ not so long back, kicking off, as they’re being asked to wear a paper mask before being allowed to peruse the middle aisle at Aldi. A mask, in a pandemic? You dirty bastards.

 

I suspect mask wearing in shops will be enforced in the same way it's enforced on public transport; ie not at all.

 

I was just about to get this but I sense there's a flaw in there somewhere...

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I think it’s easier to enforce in shops tbh. As they’ll just have people on the door.

 

Some shops will. But I think most have enough to worry about without having to police their customers.

I actually think the government’s first instincts - to ask the public to do the right thing, rather than coerce us with threats of fines - were right. But to get that message across clearly would have required the sort of leadership of which they clearly aren’t capable.

At the start of lockdown, the level of public compliance without the sort of draconian measures employed in France and Spain for example, was impressive. But the government quickly squandered it’s credibility with the public, and now here we are. Dithering, confused, completely without trust.

 

Masks should have been compulsory from the off. Only they had a huge shortfall in their PPE stockpile so sent Johnson and that supposed medic woman out to tell us they were literally of no real use, as they didn’t want Joe Public snapping up supplies that they needed for the NHS.

Now, they know fine well that the R rate is rising in many areas post lockdown and why, and they need to do something to try and stop a second wave. So they’ve extremely reluctantly imo gone for this measure. Only their previous lies on the subject makes the message mixed and the delay in implementing it makes it last week’s news by the time it actually comes in.

PR over sensible actual leadership from this Govt is a recurring theme with Johnson and his puppeteer.

 

Yep, it is all about 'numbers theatre', crowd pleasing and PR

Everything is 'world class' 'world beating'.

Silence over antibody tests for all after hailing the Roche test is yet another example

 

Compulsory? No thanks. And no need. Ask people to do the right thing, explain why you want them to do it, and most people will comply.

Tell people what to do, and you will prompt the automatic “bollocks to that” response. Certainly in me. I don’t like being told what to do, certainly not by the government, and I don’t think I’m alone in that. Maybe it is a British thing, it’s probably the only area where I instinctively see eye to eye with Boris Johnson.

I notice about 30% of bus drivers, in London anyway, aren’t wearing masks themselves. And quite rightly, none of them are policing their passengers. Almost makes you feel proud of being British. (I’m wearing one now btw. On the bus).

 

Don’t wear a mask, don’t come in, simple really. Take your pick.

People getting arsey about being given instructions that are for their own and the communal good is just British ****ishness again.

 

Issuing orders, backed by the threat of fines, having given zero thought as to how you plan to enforce those orders, is even more ****ish imo. And it leaves individual shopkeepers forced to play copper.

Transport workers have a Union to back them, thank god. So they’re not forced to do the government’s work for them. Shop workers and shop owners don’t tend to have the same protections.

Or do you think the police have either the resources or the inclination to enforce this week’s - sorry, next week’s - government whim? Good luck with that.

 

People should just maybe wear a piece of cloth across their grid when going shopping, and then there’s no drama necessary.

But they won’t, as they’ll claim it’s some form of oppressive Govt action or something, link it to the Jews and suggest Bill Gates is employing slaves underground to make them for a cup of rice per week.....or something.

 

I find it very hard to breathe with a mask on. Thirty years of heavy smoking are the reason for that, certainly not gonna blame anyone but myself.

If I wanted to, I’m sure I could claim exemption. But like most people, I want to do what’s right, because it’s the right thing to do. Which was my original point btw.