You have to wonder what the voters in European countries think of all this. We're getting some signs, from the apparent unpopularity of Merkel and Macron.
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You have to wonder what the voters in European countries think of all this. We're getting some signs, from the apparent unpopularity of Merkel and Macron.
The Norwegian state responsible department have reported that 2 more patients in the same hospital, who had this same unusual combination of blood clots, low platelet levels and bleeding after taking AZ vaccine, died yesterday. They didnt give further information.
I'm so confused with the EU and their stance on Astra Zeneca. Is it true these still have millions of unused doses gathering dust?
Surely the best data would come from the U.K. who have administered more doses than those that have been trialed?
Depends. The demographic which is potentially affected isn’t one we’ve vaccinated much on.
As they are saying in France...
Ce couac nous dit surtout que se gvt qui est incapable de gérer le Covid est encore moins capable de gérer le pays. Il faut absolument virer Macron et ses acolytes en 2022 sinon on cour à la catastrophe !!
which basically mean...
This quack tells us above all that this gvt which is incapable of managing the Covid is even less capable of managing the country. It is absolutely necessary to fire Macron and his acolytes in 2022 otherwise we are running into disaster !!
We have vaccinated 29m I am sure they can get enough data from that?
Wow, are these new patients or those already admitted with this condition? If other countries aren’t seeing the same responses in the same types of patients in the same ratios according to numbers vaccinated, population size and segment of the population targeted, it might be connected to the vaccine but it might also be something to do with Norway specifically. We are not seeing this in the U.K., apparently, and we have vaccinated plenty of younger, female health care workers. Likewise no signs of this issue in the US trial, at last one which was done properly. All very strange.
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There is a lot happening at the moment Col which I believe is part of all this.
Last week an MEP said that we can’t see the U.K. doing better than us (EU) those remarks say so much of their thinking. The commission has made a complete balls up of this and are now getting desperate.
Even the fanatics are beginning to work out that the EU are acting like idiots.
This week the U.K. and EU are due to sign a Services agreement.
https://www.ft.com/content/0959415b-91af-467b-876d-055c154d2da3
(Sorry for cross pollination but it links in). Already Macron and Merkel are under pressure over their vaccination failings while the U.K. is getting ready to open up and make money. Both leaders have been vocal regarding this export ban... don’t be surprised if this services agreement gets used as some sort of bargaining chip. The last thing the EU wants is to see is us getting on with life while France and Germany are in lockdown.
Be quiet, there's a good lad, the adults are speaking.
Thought it would be best to let you get a few totally uninformed “THIS IS WHY I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG” posts in, you ridiculous little gnome.
The reaction is all a bit naive I'm afraid. There is no such thing as a medicine or a vaccine which is 100% safe, which is why every medicine has a piece of paper listing the possible side effects like (one in a million could go green etc.). There have been 300 million jabs so far World Wide and every odd one that goes wrong is going to be given maximum publicity and be used mercilessly by the anti vaccine brigade. The truth is that if you give out even 300 million antibiotics somebody is going to die as a result the same goes for most of the medicine we use.
Well said. The problem is that when you talk probabilities or statistical chances it is so easy to paint the picture you want or see the picture you want. Politicians know that a percentage of those who vote are as thick as **** and totally gullible and rely on that to peddle their so-called 'truth' So too the reader and the free press who do us all a disservice at times like this. a 3 in 1 million chance of getting a blood clot is then portrayed as proof that the vaccine does not work. The press does not bother to correct this by pointing out that for every 3 there are 999,997 people for whom it worked fine.. That doesn't sell papers or prove to voters what a big man you are. Somebody should tell EM that he is not . His small man syndrome will cost lives ie a small number of the poor sheep who refuse the AZ vaccine because they believe it will kill them. They can't tell the difference between 3 and 999,997
Take another scenario foisted upon us consumers by the corporate need to insulate yourself of all liability. When I was first diagnosed with cancer my consultant had to work her way through a lengthy checklist of things that could possibly go wrong prepared by the NHS. Number one of course was that it might not work and I might die. I can think of a number of people, I know personally (I'm sure we all can) who would decline the chemo because of that. And I would love to see what the Press made of that. Would I have gone down in the stats as someone who died of cancer or someone who was offered chemo and refused it? I suspect the answer is "Depends. Which story will sell more papers?"
Perhaps the most obvious point to make regarding the 'blood clot' argument is statistically to date the number of deaths in those vaccinated is below the average of those not vaccinated which rather suggests the 'scare' stories are just that as opposed to scientific analysis...
Pardon me for being thick, but if the EU is blocking export of the AZ vaccine,(even though a bunch of national leaders of the 27 don't want to :inflict" it on their own populations), isn't that vaccine actually also being produced in the UK?
If so, who are Macron and Merkel et al blocking the vaccine from?
I was not too supportive of the Brexut idea but this first crisis to come along has made wonder if your exit from EU wasn't the better idea after all.
If so, who are Macron and Merkel et al blocking the vaccine from?
I was not too supportive of the Brexut idea but this first crisis to come along has made wonder if your exit from EU wasn't the better idea after all.
Now this is really suspicious and odd, but not in the way you are thinking Oslo.
So 5 or 6 young women have died of the same strange symptoms ....blood clot in the presence of low platelets...in the same hospital.
Young women, not usually susceptible to blood clots..
Remember not all blood clots are fatal...where are the non fatal cases
Platelets, take a time to decrease, the deaths seem a bit quick to see platelet count reduction
Low platelets usually mean inability to clit...not an increase in blood clots.
All given the jab in the same hospital...not anywhere else that is giving the same batch of vaccine. ( Batches are actually very large with thousands and thousands of shots from each batch).
From what you have said Oslo, this is looking more to do the hospital rather than the vaccine
I think they have sorted it now. Boris phoned Marcon and Co. I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that call? The important thing is that common sense should have be used from the start without all the mafia style threats. Hopefully we can all move forward.
I got the impression that the 2 who died yesterday were already included in the people previously reported as being in serious condition in hospital with these unusual blood symptoms after taking the AZ vaccine.But it's not specific to Norway, think I have posted earlier some of the other Countries reporting the same symptoms with deaths, including 5 in the UK. Sweden has since reported similar. German specialists had come to the same conclusions as the Norwegians about the AZ vaccine causing it. Statistically there aren't so many people getting these problems happily, but it has obviously been pretty terrible for the few who have. It will be good if they can find out more on why, and if there are any links between the people getting this condition, and to the batches of vaccine they got, though I read somewhere it was not limited to any one batch.