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Sooperhoop said:
Basically a section of the contract that absolves AZ of liability if there are delays in supply due to aforementioned contract/s, which you would assume is the UK contract...
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Yeah, I was looking at the redacted version of the contract. Also the ‘best reasonable efforts’ stuff seems to favour AZ. Don’t really know why the EU decided to publish.

Still think it would be a positive thing if, once our vulnerable are injected and we feel secure in being able to give them all the right second dose, we help the EU, and everywhere else, get to the same stage.
 
Sooperhoop said:
That matches their certified accounts for more than 20 years, clear as mud...
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It really is staple counting of the highest order. We are in the middle of a pandemic and the EU has messed up and are now trying to cover it up. I heard someone saying that AstraZeneka were doing just fine when talking to Germany/France and Italy then... The EU got involved and things changed. They are now making threats about stopping the vials leaving the EU block. What a great advert for Brexit!
 
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It really is staple counting of the highest order. We are in the middle of a pandemic and the EU has messed up and are now trying to cover it up. I heard someone saying that AstraZeneka were doing just fine when talking to Germany/France and Italy then... The EU got involved and things changed. They are now making threats about stopping the vials leaving the EU block. What a great advert for Brexit!
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Publishing details of the contract seems a strange way of covering it up.

Some glass houses and stones here.
 
Not a good look for the EU all this political jousting about what AZ/EU signed and what the various interpretations mean......... Just get on with approving the vaccine first and start the roll out within the United States of Europe.........

Already it looks as if we're only going to get circa 300k doses in February compared to the expected 600k as promised by the EU in the roll out time table. Our government are already laying the groundwork for saying that people should not travel abroad this year due to lack of vaccinations........ It does get mighty depressing........
 
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sb_73 said:
Of course. But why is what is sensible and evidence based for the Germans not for the British? No need to answer.....

I think the EU response has very little to do with AZ or the UK in particular and everything to do with their embarrassment at their very weak performance so far, mounting public pressure within the bloc (which is against the EU response, not the companies from what I understand) and possibly a certain naivety over how a contract for a biologically created product works. Van Der Leyen can scream as much as she likes, but it won’t magically create the product out of nothing.

As we all agree vaccine nationalism is a very bad thing it would be a nice gesture for the UK/AZ to redirect some of the product earmarked for us to the EU, wouldn’t it? If all of our most vulnerable have had the jab and we have supply for their second dose, I don’t mind waiting a few more weeks for mine if it means a genuinely vulnerable person in Spain or Poland gets some protection. And then when the supply issues are sorted, for all the rich countries to deliver on their promises to make sure the poorer countries don’t lag behind. We’re all in this together.
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It is sensible evidence for the UK too.

But we needed and wanted to get on with vaccination...nothing wrong with that.

In an ideal world use pfizer / Moderna, novavax for the elderly...use AZ for the under 65... And give everyone two shots at the right time.

It's not an ideal world at the moment.
I accept governments have to take risks.

The only risk I currently think is too risky, is not giving the Pfizer second dose at the right time to those at most risk in group 1.
Get groups 1 and 2 fully protected and then we can relax a bit
 
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qprbeth said:
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It is sensible evidence for the UK too.

But we needed and wanted to get on with vaccination...nothing wrong with that.

In an ideal world use pfizer / Moderna, novavax for the elderly...use AZ for the under 65... And give everyone two shots at the right time.

It's not an ideal world at the moment.
I accept governments have to take risks.

The only risk I currently think is too risky, is not giving the Pfizer second dose at the right time to those at most risk in group 1.
Get groups 1 and 2 fully protected and then we can relax a bit
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In an ideal world everyone would get one of Pfizer, Moderna or my new favourite Novavax. But in current circumstances all are fine. Worrying stuff yesterday when some cabinet suit implied that if Pfizer supplies run dry those due a second jab will get AZ. Which is just nuts.

Again, hats off to the vaccine procurement team which placed bets on seven candidates and five of them have paid out with the Janssen news today. The Valneva one still seems some way off but remains promising, only the Sanofi/GSK one looks a dud, though they are still soldiering on.
 
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Am I missing something here? I thought the Germans said it was not effective in over 65's yet they are saying roll out to all?
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ELLERS said:
Am I missing something here? I thought the Germans said it was not effective in over 65's yet they are saying roll out to all?
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Germany said there was insufficient evidence, which isn’t the same thing, as I suspect you know. The EMA were due to approve it today.
 
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