Off Topic Coronavirus

[ELLERS]

So, are the Johnson government or the 70 or so Tory rebels like your bestest friend Redwood ‘playing politics with people’s lives’? Because obviously in a time of ‘national emergency’ surely any opposition to what the majority government says is the work of traitors, and the perpetrators should be hung by whatever passes for their bollocks.

If you want Starmer to toe the government line, surely we should have a national government and Labour and other parties should have cabinet level posts? Otherwise he is just accepting responsibility for cock up after cock up without having any influence on policy or policy execution. Which would be the act of an idiot.

No need to respond in detail. Just answer one question clearly and concisely - do you support Johnson/the government or Redwood/the rebels. They are all Tories so you are being loyal in one sense or another either way.

Oh god here we go.
Those 70 rebels (more like 50) believe something different to what the government is saying and they will vote on what they think is best. whether you agree or disagree with them is up to you, but at least they are voting. If you believe that sitting on your hands when you should be voting on something so important is the way to go then that's your choice. It's nothing but political games from the opposition.

 

[Sooperhoop]

Irrespective of your political leanings, don't think anyone can argue with this, and that the English government should follow suit...

SNP conference: £500 'thank you' payment for healthcare staff
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Health and care workers in Scotland are to be given a £500 payment as a "thank you" for their work during the pandemic, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

The SNP leader announced the one-off payment to thank NHS and care staff for their "extraordinary service" in 2020.

It will be paid to all full-time NHS and adult social care staff, with a proportional share for part-time staff.

The first minister also announced that £100 grants will be given to low-income families who may struggle over winter.

Ms Sturgeon said these payments could be made before Christmas, and would help households "pay their fuel bills and make sure children don't go hungry".

In her speech to the SNP conference, Ms Sturgeon said "clap for carers" events earlier in the pandemic had been "really important", but that the applause "was never enough".

She said appreciation must be "shown in a more tangible way" through the £500 payment, which would be completed before the end of the current financial year.

She added: "There are no strings attached. Of course a payment like this can never come close to expressing our full admiration for those who have cared for us so heroically.

"But to our health and care workers, it is a demonstration of what we collectively owe you - and a heartfelt thank you for the sacrifices you have made."

She also urged Prime Minister Boris Johnson to use the UK government's powers to make sure the payments are tax-free.

A spokesperson from HM Treasury said: "The income tax on these payments is paid to Scotland, not Westminster - and the Scottish government has the powers and funding to gross up the payment if it wishes."

The bonus is expected to be paid to about 300,000 doctors, nurses, porters, care home and hospice staff, and other frontline health workers, at a cost of £180m.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55124729

No problem with the payments but a proper wage rise would be more beneficial long term. A clever and some might say cynical ploy by Sturgeon who is under pressure over the Salmond case...

 

[ELLERS]

Would you begrudge the UK government giving this money to their NHS workers?

From what I have been reading they (SNP) do a crap job with money they receive from the government.

 

[sb_73]

Oh god here we go.
Those 70 rebels (more like 50) believe something different to what the government is saying and they will vote on what they think is best. whether you agree or disagree with them is up to you, but at least they are voting. If you believe that sitting on your hands when you should be voting on something so important is the way to go then that's your choice. It's nothing but political games from the opposition.

It was a pretty simple question, but true to form you dodge it. Your choice, fine.

 

[ELLERS]

No problem with the payments but a proper wage rise would be more beneficial long term. A clever and some might say cynical ploy by Sturgeon who is under pressure over the Salmond case...

Spot on.

 

[ELLERS]

It was a pretty simple question, but true to form you dodge it. Your choice, fine.

This is not about what I believe Sb. I am not an elected MP who makes decisions. I just expect MP's to vote (whatever way) with something as important as this.
They all managed to vote on Brexit issues and note many complained when MP's went against the government then did they? I remember a few saying that they "Stuck by their principles"... different now it seems? Anyway those MP's who abstain will surely not have anything to complain about in the future?

 

[sb_73]

This is not about what I believe Sb. I am not an elected MP who makes decisions. I just expect MP's to vote (whatever way) with something as important as this.
They all managed to vote on Brexit issues and note many complained when MP's went against the government then did they? I remember a few saying that they "Stuck by their principles"... different now it seems? Anyway those MP's who abstain will surely not have anything to complain about in the future?

Why can’t you answer a simple question? What is there to be scared or ashamed of in sharing your opinion as opposed to simply sniping away at your political opponents. For what it’s worth I would support the government on stronger tiers in current circumstances. What about you?

 

[Steelmonkey]

From what I have been reading they (SNP) do a crap job with money they receive from the government.

As I said in my original post, I'm no fan of the SNP. Their record on education is appalling.

No problem with the payments but a proper wage rise would be more beneficial long term. A clever and some might say cynical ploy by Sturgeon who is under pressure over the Salmond case...

Totally agree, but this is a welcome boost for thsse on the front line

 

[ELLERS]

Why can’t you answer a simple question? What is there to be scared or ashamed of in sharing your opinion as opposed to simply sniping away at your political opponents. For what it’s worth I would support the government on stronger tiers in current circumstances. What about you?

Not scared of anything to say. Not sniping at political opponents either. I just think it's shameless for abstaining. Maybe before you worry about my views you should be asking why elected politicians are sitting on their hands?

 

[sb_73]

Not scared of anything to say. Not sniping at political opponents either. I just think it's shameless for abstaining. Maybe before you worry about my views you should be asking why elected politicians are sitting on their hands?

Let’s not waste any more time on this.

 

[sb_73]

Expect a bounce up in positive tests as loads of students get tested prior to going home. Most are being given this flow test thing which seems pretty dodgy but is fast. My daughter got a negative result in 30 minutes (but as she had tested positive and isolated a couple of months back a positive would have been surprising).

Otherwise, positive cases per 100k (admittedly not a great measure compared to hospital admissions, because it’s so testing dependent) is plummeting in many places which would seem to show that lockdowns work. Making it even more mystifying as to why you would want to loosen restrictions before definitive control is achieved.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

Let’s not waste any more time on this.

Oh go on. I was enjoying the spectacle that a poster who is fond of telling us all his views on everything under the sun evades answering a simple question on a forum to express OPINIONS.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

This is not about what I believe Sb. I am not an elected MP who makes decisions. I just expect MP's to vote (whatever way) with something as important as this.
They all managed to vote on Brexit issues and note many complained when MP's went against the government then did they? I remember a few saying that they "Stuck by their principles"... different now it seems? Anyway those MP's who abstain will surely not have anything to complain about in the future?

It’s a bit of a complex issue though for a binary question (that rings a bell). If they vote with the government, Johnson drags Labour down with him and chances and can legitimately, because it’s a binary question, claim he has Labour’s support despite Starmer’s criticism of him. If they oppose, they’re painted as the party against protecting people and seen to be siding with the ****test parts of the UKIP Tories.

Basically either way stupid ****s are going to find a way to blame the leader and party with no power rather than the leader and party who have left us with one of the worst death rates and worst economic decline on the continent after spending the most to avoid those outcomes.

 

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[ELLERS]

It’s a bit of a complex issue though for a binary question (that rings a bell). If they vote with the government, Johnson drags Labour down with him and chances and can legitimately, because it’s a binary question, claim he has Labour’s support despite Starmer’s criticism of him. If they oppose, they’re painted as the party against protecting people and seen to be siding with the ****test parts of the UKIP Tories.

Basically either way stupid ****s are going to find a way to blame the leader and party with no power rather than the leader and party who have left us with one of the worst death rates and worst economic decline on the continent after spending the most to avoid those outcomes.

So you agree Mr Starme4 is playing politics.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

So you agree Mr Starme4 is playing politics.

Not for the first time to this dumb question, he’s a ****ing politician so of course he is. Sadly Johnson’s chosen to play with lives to put us in this position.

 

[kiwiqpr]

No problem with the payments but a proper wage rise would be more beneficial long term. A clever and some might say cynical ploy by Sturgeon who is under pressure over the Salmond case...

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Braden Davy

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Remember, Thanks to higher Scottish Income Tax, the SNP tax Scottish Doctors, nurses and healthcare professionals about £1,500 more per year in tax than if they worked in England.

The £500 rebate is about 1/3rd of the extra tax she takes off them every year. [HASHTAG]#SNP20[/HASHTAG]

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[Woodyhoopleson]

Expect a bounce up in positive tests as loads of students get tested prior to going home. Most are being given this flow test thing which seems pretty dodgy but is fast. My daughter got a negative result in 30 minutes (but as she had tested positive and isolated a couple of months back a positive would have been surprising).

Otherwise, positive cases per 100k (admittedly not a great measure compared to hospital admissions, because it’s so testing dependent) is plummeting in many places which would seem to show that lockdowns work. Making it even more mystifying as to why you would want to loosen restrictions before definitive control is achieved.

What do you know about the lateral flow test? Yeadon pointed out the vast differences in the results obtained by the PCR and the LFT and concluded that one of them must be very wrong.

 

[sb_73]

What do you know about the lateral flow test? Yeadon pointed out the vast differences in the results obtained by the PCR and the LFT and concluded that one of them must be very wrong.

No special information mate, but an assumption that, given that they are cheaper, easier to administer and much quicker to give a result, they would be used universally if they were the more accurate, or even as accurate. Yeadon and others are right, there must be something wrong with one or both of the tests.

But as I said above I don’t think test results are the best metric.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

The more I read your posts Watford, the more I think you are clueless mate. You post a tweet from the Starmer supporting Mirror?
Anyone sensible person would realise that this is just playing politics with peoples lives.

It’s a direct quote so the source is really not relevant. You’re clearly desperate to talk about politics so stop being a tart and post on the politics thread.