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I think the idea is that pissed people aren’t so good at social distancing, and there will be less pissed people if the pubs closed earlier. From my perspective this is a vast underestimate of the determination of the average Briton to get pissed.

My pub sessions tend to start and finish earlier nowadays than they once did. Starting at 3pm means that I would be plenty pissed enough by 10.
 
You are too sweet..
So yes I think it is scaremongering...to set us up for what Boris is going to say today.

The figures are "technically" correct. We have ONE set of figures showing a doubling of cases in 7 days. IF those figures were to happen everyday for the next month...and in fact speed up...and as numbers of cases increases the R number and so doubling number would increase and so they would speed up...then we would have 50,000 cases by mid October.

There is a lot of ifs and buts in there. If we are now constantly doubling in 7 days, and if we do nothing about it .....are the two main ones I am talking about.

Remember in March, we really did not know what we were dealing with...and we were slow to react
This time we are actually a bit more in the know. So it is a worst case scenario...and as I say it is to soften us up for what is being said.

I should also say, we now have some treatments;dexamthasone, the monoclonal I can't remember the name of and the convalescent sera. People are also more aware and will seek treatment earlier, we should not have as many deaths.

Boris has been accused (rightly in Feb/March/April) of not taking it seriously enough. This time he means to show he does take it seriously....or he is trying to take the countries mind off other things (brexit, breaking international law, dodgy dealings of the banks, being in cohoots with Russian Oligarchs, that sort of thing)

Now this is the clever bit that Boris has done I feel. Now he’s put out these figures of doom, that the general public are lapping up, he can bring in the most draconian of measures and then say that if he didn’t do it then the figures would of been doubling, catastrophic etc etc etc.
The double whammy is that meanwhile you have neighbours snitching on neighbours for having 7 people in their house (the police grass line can not cope so I hear), thus creating discord amongst people for years......all the while the Tories spend another 30 years in power, looking after their mates.

Hats off the the man, he’s a ****ing genius.......
 
Now this is the clever bit that Boris has done I feel. Now he’s put out these figures of doom, that the general public are lapping up, he can bring in the most draconian of measures and then say that if he didn’t do it then the figures would of been doubling, catastrophic etc etc etc.
The double whammy is that meanwhile you have neighbours snitching on neighbours for having 7 people in their house (the police grass line can not cope so I hear), thus creating discord amongst people for years......all the while the Tories spend another 30 years in power, looking after their mates.

Hats off the the man, he’s a ****ing genius.......

never thought about the snitching sewing discord. There might be a mighty number of people unhappy with each other in the community.
 
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Any new lockdown would have to be accompanied by a far higher level of communication than the last one was. The bulk of the population needs to be able to identify exactly what is 'high risk', 'low risk' and 'no risk'. It's obvious that 'high risk' means indoor clusters of people in contrast to outside where you have little real risk of contracting this. Politicians and the media have become obsessed with the dangers of frolicking on beaches or of participating in protest gatherings - but in contrast a far greater risk was presented by their initial advice to sick people ie. to remain at home as long as possible before seeking medical care. Delays in seeking care not only diminished survival chances but also exposed household members to significant infection risk and high viral load. It's well known that 80% of all infections happened within the family - meaning that many of the 4,000 new British infections from today will be related to each other. In hindsight many of the measures used in the last lockdown will be regarded as stupid in the near future - there has been scant evidence that anyone has actually contracted this disease by touch, so all the hand washing may have been in vain. It will be interesting to see what happens in those countries where fans are being allowed back into stadiums (15,000 were allowed at Ajax yesterday) - monitoring of that will tell us a lot.

So all those that were foaming at the mouth about people going to parks and beaches should all along have been directing their ire at people that were staying indoors?
 
So all those that were foaming at the mouth about people going to parks and beaches should all along have been directing their ire at people that were staying indoors?
It depends on what you mean by staying indoors - the highest risk environments appear to be larger family gatherings (ie. more than just the household) and indoor events. So it's safe to say that the overwhelming majority of infections took place within four walls. The beach itself is probably not a problem, but spending time on an overfilled train to get there without everyone wearing masks would be the bigger risk. People going to parks have never been a problem, and this has never been regulated in Germany - unless an infected person comes up and hugs me or deliberately sneezes in my face then nothing is going to happen there. I have always been for absolute maximum lockdown regulations indoors - but compensated by comparative freedoms outside.
 
Nicola Sturgeon talking to Scottish Parliament at the moment - some quick points (I've only put down what I've caught so far)...

Curfew for pubs, bars and restaurants - 10pm - and table service only. Non-compliance will result in fines and closure.

No visiting other households.

Work from home if at all possible.

Employers must provide safe areas.

Schools to remain open.

Face coverings to be legally enforced.

Self-isolation to be legally enforced, but offered support by local services, with up to £500 for low income families.

Only meet other people, from one other household, outdoors or in regulated indoor premises up to a maximum as six people.

No car sharing with non-family members.

Do not book travel overseas unless it is essential.

NHS services to be re-started for cancer, lung, heart etc stuff

All to be reviewed in three weeks.
 
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To those people who largely agree with the things that are going on, afforded by the new powers that government have allowed themselves, is there any part of you, and if so to what degree, that is concerned about the infringements on our liberties that have come around so quickly?
 
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Nicola Sturgeon talking to Scottish Parliament at the moment - some quick points (I've only put down what I've caught so far)...

Curfew for pubs, bars and restaurants - 10pm - and table service only. Non-compliance will result in fines and closure.

No visiting other households.

Work from home if at all possible.

Employers must provide safe areas.

Schools to remain open.

Face coverings to be legally enforced.

Self-isolation to be legally enforced, but offered support by local services, with up to £500 for low income families.

Only meet other people, from one other household, outdoors or in regulated indoor premises up to a maximum as six people.

No car sharing with non-family members.

Do not book travel overseas unless it is essential.

NHS services to be re-started for cancer, lung, heart etc stuff

All to be reviewed in three weeks.


I wonder how this might affect hotels. We have a trip to Inverness booked for next month.
 
I wonder how this might affect hotels. We have a trip to Inverness booked for next month.

I'd be surprised if there was any change for hotels. We stayed in West Kilbride, Inverness and Perth in August before/after doing the NC500 and in each hotel:

- mask to be worn in the hotel except in room or while in the bar / restaurant
- table service only
- on site catering closed earlier than normal
- disposable cups in room
- limited numbers of rooms available to book in some hotels
Overall the hotels felt very safe and were very clean
If you are looking to eat out in Inverness book somewhere before you go. Quite a few places were closed in the city centre. And the city centre has really gone downhill in the last few years - a lot of empty units as the out of town developments have grown
 
I'd be surprised if there was any change for hotels. We stayed in West Kilbride, Inverness and Perth in August before/after doing the NC500 and in each hotel:

- mask to be worn in the hotel except in room or while in the bar / restaurant
- table service only
- on site catering closed earlier than normal
- disposable cups in room
- limited numbers of rooms available to book in some hotels
Overall the hotels felt very safe and were very clean
If you are looking to eat out in Inverness book somewhere before you go. Quite a few places were closed in the city centre. And the city centre has really gone downhill in the last few years - a lot of empty units as the out of town developments have grown

You stayed in West Kilbride? There's **** all there <laugh> Or was it Seamill....? The Hydro is a nice hotel, been there for a couple of weddings....should've given me a shout, I'm about 30 minutes from there <cheers>
 
You stayed in West Kilbride? There's **** all there <laugh> Or was it Seamill....? The Hydro is a nice hotel, been there for a couple of weddings....should've given me a shout, I'm about 30 minutes from there <cheers>

No good telling me now Steels!!

It was the Seamill House Hotel. Superb place that has obviously had a lot of money spent on it. Great views over the water from the balcony. Got the ferry over to Bute the following morning
 
No good telling me now Steels!!

It was the Seamill House Hotel. Superb place that has obviously had a lot of money spent on it. Great views over the water from the balcony. Got the ferry over to Bute the following morning

Some of my son's pals are from Bute, nice wee island although Rothesay is a bit dated now. Used to go on a pub crawl there every summer, but don't see that happening any time soon now <wah>
 
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Bloody patriots. Stop being so British.

I was talking about the situation in Germany with a colleague based out there after we'd finished the formal part of our meeting, and his take was that Germans are - mostly - more law abiding and cautious, with people mixing less during the crisis
 
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