Off Topic Coronavirus

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Steelmonkey and Bobmid...my best wishes to your nearest and dearest.

There are so many different scenarios to this horrid virus, and we don't know which roll of the dice each person will get. I think this is what Col is getting at.

You could be over 80 and get a slight cough, you could be 20 and die of it. You could be old or young and left with ongoing chronic disease that affects you for years..

Nothing is really known about what you will get..and you don't want to be the 1 in 100 who dies, or the 5 in 100 who are seriously ill.

I hope we are right and wave/ spike 2 us not as bad as the first...but overall due to disease or economic considerations or mental destablement, this disease has completely changed our life style...and not for the good.

My best wishes to wife and mother in law...and I hope no one else is affected
 
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qprbeth said:
There are so many different scenarios to this horrid virus, and we don't know which roll of the dice each person will get. I think this is what Col is getting at.

You could be over 80 and get a slight cough, you could be 20 and die of it. You could be old or young and left with ongoing chronic disease that affects you for years..

Nothing is really known about what you will get..and you don't want to be the 1 in 100 who dies, or the 5 in 100 who are seriously ill.
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With respect Beth your ‘Dice’ analogy is somewhat flawed. Yes of course you could die of it at 20, however to make out that you have as much chance of serious consequences at a young age, with perfect health than you have at old age with co-morbidities such as COPD etc, is utterly incorrect......the chances are not equal and do not equate to ‘the roll of a dice’
Whilst there are younger, previously healthy people who become seriously ill, and even die, the absolute vast majority will be the elderly or people with underlying health issues.
Sorry, just needed to point that out.
Apologies if I read your post wrong and got the wrong end of the stick.

NB Just had a quick look and using a comparison group of 18-29 year olds, the odds of death are

220 x higher in 75-84 year olds
630 x higher in 85+ year olds

This figure was taken on 18 Aug
 
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rangercol said:
I know Strolls will disagree, but speaking to friends it seems to me that when you're over 55 and hear too many anicdotes like Steel's missus, you tend to want to be a bit careful, just in case.
Seems pretty clear that the under 40s aren't anywhere near as concerned on the whole.
I guess the next few weeks may well be decisive.
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I have the utmost sympathy for Steelsy's missus - her condition sounds awful and I hope that some beneficial treatment will soon be found for her and others like her. It's pretty much impossible for me to state my opinion on this virus and the reactions to it without sounding callous and unsympathetic to those affected by it. The thing for me, though - speaking as a 66 year-old with high blood pressure and having twice contracted pneumonia - is that we all just have to get on with it. My generation has been the most blessed in all kinds of ways and I don't believe we have the right to expect young people to sacrifice their best years to protect us in our old age.
 
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Hospitalisations on the rise.
Infections on the rise in care homes.
France experiencing a huge spike in hospitalisations.
Israel returns to a national lockdown.
86% of a survey of 8,000 doctors are concerned we will have a second wave.
Meanwhile we have an inexperienced, inept government and disorganised health beaurocracy trying to square a circle.
 
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Staines R's said:
With respect Beth your ‘Dice’ analogy is somewhat flawed. Yes of course you could die of it at 20, however to make out that you have as much chance of serious consequences at a young age, with perfect health than you have at old age with co-morbidities such as COPD etc, is utterly incorrect......the chances are not equal and do not equate to ‘the roll of a dice’
Whilst there are younger, previously healthy people who become seriously ill, and even die, the absolute vast majority will be the elderly or people with underlying health issues.
Sorry, just needed to point that out.
Apologies if I read your post wrong and got the wrong end of the stick.

NB Just had a quick look and using a comparison group of 18-29 year olds, the odds of death are

220 x higher in 75-84 year olds
630 x higher in 85+ year olds

This figure was taken on 18 Aug
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You slightly misunderstood my post, but it was the way I wrote it to be honest....so no hassle

I never meant that it was just an equal chance of getting it. Your stats are completely right...but it doesn't tell the personal story.

I do not want to be the nearly 67 person with no underlying health problems, who gets it. Steel's missus doesn't want to be the young person with a mild disease who then gets longCovid.

When hubbie and I were younger, something tragic happened to us that happens to about 1:10000 couples....we were told don't worry won't happen again...and then we got hit by something else completely different that only happens to about 1:10,000.
I don't trust statistics
 
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Sweden's deaths compared with Norway, Denmark and Finland are huge in comparison.
This idea that Sweden's lack of lockdown was the way to go appears to be unravelling.
 
Pretty sobering thread depending on where you fall on the afraid not afraid divide.
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qprbeth said:
You slightly misunderstood my post, but it was the way I wrote it to be honest....so no hassle

I never meant that it was just an equal chance of getting it. Your stats are completely right...but it doesn't tell the personal story.

I do not want to be the nearly 67 person with no underlying health problems, who gets it. Steel's missus doesn't want to be the young person with a mild disease who then gets longCovid.

When hubbie and I were younger, something tragic happened to us that happens to about 1:10000 couples....we were told don't worry won't happen again...and then we got hit by something else completely different that only happens to about 1:10,000.
I don't trust statistics
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I think maybe your ‘roll of a dice’ analogy was the confusing, unhelpful bit. Anyway no harm done and thanks for clearing up.

Twin 2 just had results in and all negative. So back to school tmrw.....thank ****
 
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Sweden's deaths compared with Norway, Denmark and Finland are huge in comparison.
This idea that Sweden's lack of lockdown was the way to go appears to be unravelling.
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Absolute nonsense as the figures in Sweden just proved that we are not within a pandemic but a rebuild of the economy. Bring out the deads.
 
bobmid said:
Last numbers were 828 schools recorded cases of covid.
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- First they will do a test.

- The PCR test does not proof any infection.

- A positive PCR test is being treated as if you and I were infected even if we are not

- An Infection does not mean we get sick

- If we do not get sick, why are we being held in quarantine ?

This is just so ridiculous and then again we do accept Child Abuse where kids do have to wear masks, where we accept that the old people are being locked up not to mention the acceptance of selfdestructing our Economy. We will experience the outcome within the following months. At the end Covid-19 believers will have to explain to us why the majority of people has been made redundant whereas only few people died from a fabricated virus. I am sorry for the young people that do not have a clue yet what they will have to expect very soon.
 
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Here we go again
Butthuber said:
- First they will do a test.

- The PCR test does not proof any infection.

- A positive PCR test is being treated as if you and I were infected even if we are not

- An Infection does not mean we get sick

- If we do not get sick, why are we being held in quarantine ?
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The PCR test does not proof any infection. YES IT DOES. I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS TO YOU BEFORE

- A positive PCR test is being treated as if you and I were infected even if we are not A POSITIVE TEST SHOWS YOU HAVE THE VIRUS AND ARE INFECTIOUS

- An Infection does not mean we get sick. THIS IS TRUE 9( BUT ONLY IN SOME CASES, OR A MILD DISEASE IN OTHERS), BUT THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO KNOW.......

- If we do not get sick, why are we being held in quarantine ?.....BECAUSE YOU CAN GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO IS VUNERABLE AND COULD GET ILL AND DIE
 
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Bit of a crunch week in virus management and it’s impact.

We will soon see if the rise in positive tests results in higher levels of hospitalisations, as it has in Spain and France.

At the same time, Baroness Dido Harding, the tremendous businesswoman who didn’t know whether her customers’ data was encrypted when 4 million of them had their info hacked at TalkTalk (she ‘stood down’ to focus on being a Tory soon later), is doing an equally good job heading up Test and Trace, which appears to be in a state of collapse. According to the radio, even doctors can’t get their kids with coughs tested quickly, so have to stay off work, and teachers are officially the ‘lowest priority’ of key workers for testing.

On Thursday companies have to announce how many people they plan to make redundant when the furlough scheme ends. Could be an eye watering number, let’s hope not.

Meanwhile the Life Scientific this week features Sarah Gilbert, who is developing the Oxford vaccine. We all hope she is successful, but she is still showing scary levels of hubris after initially saying a working and tested vaccine would be available by now. Next week the programme features Neil Ferguson, which is amazing, as his modelling on the spread of lots of diseases has been wrong nearly all of the time, and always on the pessimistic side. According to him most of us should have died from SARS years ago. He’s a scientist in the same way that astrology relates to astronomy or alchemy relates to chemistry.
 
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https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/autho...DS30In9l0crv_w52PLDfjVVfn-aC2RNbL1KzxSmL8lrR0

The latest blog by Dr Kendrick puts my thoughts out there in a far more intelligent way than I ever could. The argument is out there for us ALL to do our duty, and if under a certain age then go out there and become infected....

I expect some will pick holes in Kendricks arguments and thoughts, however he makes a good case for what I’ve been saying all along.
 
Staines R's said:
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/autho...DS30In9l0crv_w52PLDfjVVfn-aC2RNbL1KzxSmL8lrR0

The latest blog by Dr Kendrick puts my thoughts out there in a far more intelligent way than I ever could. The argument is out there for us ALL to do our duty, and if under a certain age then go out there and become infected....

I expect some will pick holes in Kendricks arguments and thoughts, however he makes a good case for what I’ve been saying all along.
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It is interesting to get a different perspective. I was under the impression that immunity hasn't been proven though or if it has how long it lasts. There have been reinfections so I'm not sure where that leaves his argument. Also he doesn't address the long term health issues resulting from covid if 80% of folk get infected how many of those will have lasting symptoms.
 
Frome-Ranger said:
It is interesting to get a different perspective. I was under the impression that immunity hasn't been proven though or if it has how long it lasts. There have been reinfections so I'm not sure where that leaves his argument. Also he doesn't address the long term health issues resulting from covid if 80% of folk get infected how many of those will have lasting symptoms.
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True, however I haven’t seen any firm evidence or study of reinfection....I do remember it being a possibility from reports in Korea but that was then debunked through testing mistakes.
Again Frome, I take your point about long lasting effects on people (like my good friend Steels Mrs), but on the other side of that argument, we also aren’t aware if these ‘long term’ health issues are in fact ‘long term’.

I guess in a way I answer my own question, in regards that there are too many unknowns at the moment, however what is known is that we cannot stay like this forever.....the consequences are far too outreaching.
I wish I had the answers
 
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