Off Topic Coronavirus

[Frome-Ranger]

True, however I haven’t seen any firm evidence or study of reinfection....I do remember it being a possibility from reports in Korea but that was then debunked through testing mistakes.
Again Frome, I take your point about long lasting effects on people (like my good friend Steels Mrs), but on the other side of that argument, we also aren’t aware if these ‘long term’ health issues are in fact ‘long term’.

I guess in a way I answer my own question, in regards that there are too many unknowns at the moment, however what is known is that we cannot stay like this forever.....the consequences are far too outreaching.
I wish I had the answers

Mate its a bloody nightmare whatever your take on it is. Must admit I hadn't clocked that the reinfection story had been debunked. That is a positive at least.

I wish i could be more like you and some of our other brethren but alas I'm a natural born worrier. That said it is really hard to know what to think because you can read two opinions by two different professionals both of which can appear completely reasonable and make perfect sense and yet they can totally contradict each other.

I could see myself thinking along similar lines to you but I think Kendricks previous post suggested even if he was right its too late because governments won't tolerate admitting they were wrong. Something like that anyway.

 

[Staines R's]

Mate its a bloody nightmare whatever your take on it is. Must admit I hadn't clocked that the reinfection story had been debunked. That is a positive at least.

I wish i could be more like you and some of our other brethren but alas I'm a natural born worrier. That said it is really hard to know what to think because you can read two opinions by two different professionals both of which can appear completely reasonable and make perfect sense and yet they can totally contradict each other.

I could see myself thinking along similar lines to you but I think Kendricks previous post suggested even if he was right its too late because governments won't tolerate admitting they were wrong. Something like that anyway.

Nail hit firmly on head mate, with so many different opinions and reports, studies and counter-studies it really is a minefield if info out there and hard to know what to believe.
And that’s where your point is completely correct....it comes down to you as an individual, shaped by your beliefs as to how you wanna take this thing.....
I’ve always thought ‘Herd Immunity’ was the way forward, while protecting the most vulnerable people in society. Some have giveN reasons that might not have worked, and their points are valid, however I can’t see any other way. This can’t go on forever and we are fooling ourselves if we think it can

 

[colognehornet]

Absolute nonsense as the figures in Sweden just proved that we are not within a pandemic but a rebuild of the economy. Bring out the deads.

Sweden's death figure for Covid 19 is 5,846 up to the present time - based on a population of just over 10 million. The combined populations of Denmark, Norway and Finland add up to 16.7 million but have just 1,235 fatalities between them. Fact - the lockdown saved lives.

 

[Staines R's]

Sweden's death figure for Covid 19 is 5,846 up to the present time - based on a population of just over 10 million. The combined populations of Denmark, Norway and Finland add up to 16.7 million but have just 1,235 fatalities between them. Fact - the lockdown saved lives.

As I’ve been told before, it’s not that simple though is it

 

[colognehornet]

As I’ve been told before, it’s not that simple though is it

This is what I said to myself after Man City took us apart at Wembley 6-0 - figures can be misleading Put simply 5 times as many have snuffed it in Sweden compared to all their neighbouring countries combined. Of course there are always multiple causes of death - but I can't imagine that they record them so differently in Sweden compared to Denmark or Norway. The fact is that if the Swedish figure were balanced against Germany's population of 80 million then we would be talking about 40-48,000.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Sweden's death figure for Covid 19 is 5,846 up to the present time - based on a population of just over 10 million. The combined populations of Denmark, Norway and Finland add up to 16.7 million but have just 1,235 fatalities between them. Fact - the lockdown saved lives.

Yes, further to that Sweden strengthened restrictions due to high infection rates there during the summer and their infection rate has now fallen. Denmark and Norway, as many other European countries, relaxed restrictions during the same period and their infection rates have increased. Norway and Denmark are now tightening up again, and infection rates across Scandinavia have evened out, with Sweden no longer having way the most infections.

 

[Staines R's]

This is what I said to myself after Man City took us apart at Wembley 6-0 - figures can be misleading Put simply 5 times as many have snuffed it in Sweden compared to all their neighbouring countries combined. Of course there are always multiple causes of death - but I can't imagine that they record them so differently in Sweden compared to Denmark or Norway. The fact is that if the Swedish figure were balanced against Germany's population of 80 million then we would be talking about 40-48,000.

But now it’s being argued that Sweden are reaping the benefits of their policy (see the article posted earlier) like me and Frome were saying earlier, it’s difficult to get some idea of who is right and who is wrong due to different opinions and different reading of statistics.

NB After a quick google search of articles I’m now even more confused as to whether Sweden’s approach has been a success or not. Seems it really is just a matter of opinion and if the experts can’t agree, what hope have us mere mortals on a QPR message board.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

But now it’s being argued that Sweden are reaping the benefits of their policy (see the article posted earlier) like me and Frome were saying earlier, it’s difficult to get some idea of who is right and who is wrong due to different opinions and different reading of statistics.

NB After a quick google search of articles I’m now even more confused as to whether Sweden’s approach has been a success or not. Seems it really is just a matter of opinion and if the experts can’t agree, what hope have us mere mortals on a QPR message board.

Depends who you compare them to in terms of deaths. Compared to their immediate neighbours they aren’t doing great but compared to some other countries that did formally lock down, they did (I think, can’t be arsed to look it up to be honest).

But, they did broadly adhere to sensible social distancing without being forced to whereas we (not all of us, obviously. Col has been an exemplar to the nation) were like naughty schoolchildren seeing what we could get away with. Not aided by stupid government deadlines ensuring people had one last night in the pub. Without really being able to prove it I think as a nation we’re more selfish and less bothered about our wider society than Swedes. I doubt there were nearly as many mad crushes for toilet roll and tins there.

 

[Staines R's]

Depends who you compare them to in terms of deaths. Compared to their immediate neighbours they aren’t doing great but compared to some other countries that did formally lock down, they did (I think, can’t be arsed to look it up to be honest).

But, they did broadly adhere to sensible social distancing without being forced to whereas we (not all of us, obviously. Col has been an exemplar to the nation) were like naughty schoolchildren seeing what we could get away with. Not aided by stupid government deadlines ensuring people had one last night in the pub. Without really being able to prove it I think as a nation we’re more selfish and less bothered about our wider society than Swedes. I doubt there were nearly as many mad crushes for toilet roll and tins there.

Completely agree...Seems the Swedes are much better at ‘voluntary’ social distancing (if that’s the route we are taking) and are willing and able to do as they are asked.
It’s in the British psyche to be belligerent

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Completely agree...Seems the Swedes are much better at ‘voluntary’ social distancing (if that’s the route we are taking) and are willing and able to do as they are asked.
It’s in the British psyche to be belligerent

Greed is good.

 

[Staines R's]

Greed is good.

It’s the Tory way

 

[colognehornet]

Completely agree...Seems the Swedes are much better at ‘voluntary’ social distancing (if that’s the route we are taking) and are willing and able to do as they are asked.
It’s in the British psyche to be belligerent

I don't think it's a case of the British psyche being different Staines. Communities of about 40+ years ago would have been prepared to use much more solidarity in cases like this - 40 years of neo liberal 'me first' ideology have killed real community in the UK. Didn't Thatcher once say that there was no such thing as society - only individuals ? We are still living in her legacy, we need society, and community, and inter generational solidarity, but it isn't there. If you had gone into any industrial town in the 50s or 60s with a mask and said 'you should wear this to protect your granny' they would have done this readily and those who deviated would have been censured by those around them.

 

[Staines R's]

I don't think it's a case of the British psyche being different Staines. Communities of about 40+ years ago would have been prepared to use much more solidarity in cases like this - 40 years of neo liberal 'me first' ideology have killed real community in the UK. Didn't Thatcher once say that there was no such thing as society - only individuals ? We are still living in her legacy, we need society, and community, and inter generational solidarity, but it isn't there. If you had gone into any industrial town in the 50s or 60s with a mask and said 'you should wear this to protect your granny' they would have done this readily and those who deviated would have been censured by those around them.

Yeah true and probably more akin to what I meant. Since the Thatcher years we in England have become a very ‘me, me, me’ society And it’s all about bettering yourself as an individual and **** all the rest.
Sad really

 

[Steelmonkey]

True, however I haven’t seen any firm evidence or study of reinfection....I do remember it being a possibility from reports in Korea but that was then debunked through testing mistakes.

Doctor put on ventilator after being reinfected as Spain braces for second wave


A Spanish doctor is in intensive care after becoming one of a handful of people confirmed to have been reinfected with coronavirus. The unnamed medic is currently on a ventilator at Badalona’s Germans Trias i Pujol Hospital near Barcelona after catching the deadly virus for the second time. He is said to have suffered a mild case of Covid-19 in March, before falling ill for a second time while on a recent holiday. His condition is serious, but he is expected to survive and make a good recovery, health officials said on Tuesday morning. However, Bonaventura Clotet, head of infectious diseases at Badalona hospital, has admitted he is shocked at how serious the reinfection is.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/15/doct...-braces-for-second-wave-13273989/?ito=cbshare

 

[SARQPR]

But now it’s being argued that Sweden are reaping the benefits of their policy (see the article posted earlier) like me and Frome were saying earlier, it’s difficult to get some idea of who is right and who is wrong due to different opinions and different reading of statistics.

NB After a quick google search of articles I’m now even more confused as to whether Sweden’s approach has been a success or not. Seems it really is just a matter of opinion and if the experts can’t agree, what hope have us mere mortals on a QPR message board.

Really? I was convinced that we had a number of world leading experts on all subjects on this board. How disappointing to hear that this isn't the case........

 

[Staines R's]

Doctor put on ventilator after being reinfected as Spain braces for second wave


A Spanish doctor is in intensive care after becoming one of a handful of people confirmed to have been reinfected with coronavirus. The unnamed medic is currently on a ventilator at Badalona’s Germans Trias i Pujol Hospital near Barcelona after catching the deadly virus for the second time. He is said to have suffered a mild case of Covid-19 in March, before falling ill for a second time while on a recent holiday. His condition is serious, but he is expected to survive and make a good recovery, health officials said on Tuesday morning. However, Bonaventura Clotet, head of infectious diseases at Badalona hospital, has admitted he is shocked at how serious the reinfection is.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/15/doct...-braces-for-second-wave-13273989/?ito=cbshare

Reading the story it is quoted as ‘he is said to of had the disease previously’....now I’m not denying that is possible as I’m not an expert, however I would like to know if he, or any of the other people ‘reinfected’ were 100 per cent confirmed that they have previously had the disease.....not just ‘I’m certain I had it’.

 

[Staines R's]

Really? I was convinced that we had a number of world leading experts on all subjects on this board. How disappointing to hear that this isn't the case........

You would think we had sometimes.

 

[Steelmonkey]

Reading the story it is quoted as ‘he is said to of had the disease previously’....now I’m not denying that is possible as I’m not an expert, however I would like to know if he, or any of the other people ‘reinfected’ were 100 per cent confirmed that they have previously had the disease.....not just ‘I’m certain I had it’.

Yeah, the only thing certain at the moment is nobody appears to be certain about anything!

However, that's the first time I've seen a story (so far) relating to re-infection that's not been debunked due to incorrect testing (as he's a doctor, I'd find it less plausible that they've fudged his original diagnosis - maybe!!)

If it is confirmed, it could be a bit of a game changer.

 

[Staines R's]

Yeah, the only thing certain at the moment is nobody appears to be certain about anything!

However, that's the first time I've seen a story (so far) relating to re-infection that's not been debunked due to incorrect testing (as he's a doctor, I'd find it less plausible that they've fudged his original diagnosis - maybe!!)

If it is confirmed, it could be a bit of a game changer.

It could be mate.......it just seems to be loads of ‘ifs, buts and maybes’ with no one able to agree, not even the experts

 

[kiwiqpr]

If a burglary takes the number of people in your house over 6, there’s a chance the police will actually attend