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Butthuber said:
Beth, a new vaccine can be ready and approved within 8 years everything else is a criminal act. You seem to have a personal interest in spreading disinformation that a Vaccine Testing and the Approval Process can be done in within a year or less - this is just the repetition of the official propaganda. Clueless unfortunately.

No healthy people have been struck that is just another lie of the fearmongers. You do not even question the way the so called COVID-19 deaths come together. If that doesn´t bother you how serious a person can you be ? You never questioned wearing masks which are very dangerous for healthy people - that does not seem to bother you as well.

Sorry Beth, but it is very obvious that you have swallowed the blue pill.
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FFS... wearing masks are dangerous for healthy people...have you ever been in a hospital, an operating theatre. Everyone there wears masks......none of those people die


I have been part of a flu vaccine trial that has developed a vaccine in 18 months. That vaccine was for a flu virus that was no where near as deadly as Covid19, and so the pressure was not on us to produce quite as fast.

You yourself state flu vaccines are one year out of date...think about what you have said Butthuber. They can therefore only be about 2 years downstream of the initial event...not 8 years.

I have not swallowed the blue pill. I am just a scientist who worked in the field of diagnostic molecular biology and worked less than 30 foot from the Oxford Vaccine laboratory.
I am also a patient volunteer on the covid19 vaccine study
 
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qprbeth said:
FFS... wearing masks are dangerous for healthy people...have you ever been in a hospital, an operating theatre. Everyone there wears masks......none of those people die


I have been part of a flu vaccine trial that has developed a vaccine in 18 months. That vaccine was for a flu virus that was no where near as deadly as Covid19, and so the pressure was not on us to produce quite as fast.

You yourself state flu vaccines are one year out of date...think about what you have said Butthuber. They can therefore only be about 2 years downstream of the initial event...not 8 years.

I have not swallowed the blue pill. I am just a scientist who worked in the field of diagnostic molecular biology and worked less than 30 foot from the Oxford Vaccine laboratory.
I am also a patient volunteer on the covid19 vaccine study
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Well Beth, mouth and nose protector - The mask has these consequences for healthy people

There is a new study where experts used two types of face masks for their examination - surgical masks and so-called FFP2 masks, which are mainly used by medical personnel. The measurements were carried out using so-called spiroergometry, in which patients, or in this case the test subjects, put themselves under physical strain on a stationary bicycle, a so-called ergometer, or a treadmill.

The subjects were examined without a mask, with surgical masks and with FFP2 masks. The masks therefore affect breathing, especially the volume and the highest possible speed of air exhaled. The maximum possible force on the ergometer was significantly reduced.

A faster acidification of the blood during exertion was registered in the metabolism. In addition, the participants used questionnaires to assess their subjective sensation, which also showed a considerable impairment of their well-being.

Those masks are especially dangerous for children and elderly people but do also have very negative effects for healthy people and they do not stop the virus.

Again, developing, approving and introducing a new vaccine takes 8 years which is common knowledge. This time it is even going to change the RNA which has never happened before. That is not science that is a criminal act.
 
kiwiqpr said:
wasn't gulf war syndrome caused by a vaccine
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No...the best best hypothesis is that it was caused by the administration of prophylatic drug, pyridostigmine. This would temporal block the effect of the cholinergic nerve gases.

Unfortunately the drug was used/ given rather freely and began to mess up the cholinergic nervous system, leaving some of the troops with fatigue, tiredness and depression
 
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Butthuber said:
Well Beth, mouth and nose protector - The mask has these consequences for healthy people

There is a new study where experts used two types of face masks for their examination - surgical masks and so-called FFP2 masks, which are mainly used by medical personnel. The measurements were carried out using so-called spiroergometry, in which patients, or in this case the test subjects, put themselves under physical strain on a stationary bicycle, a so-called ergometer, or a treadmill.

The subjects were examined without a mask, with surgical masks and with FFP2 masks. The masks therefore affect breathing, especially the volume and the highest possible speed of air exhaled. The maximum possible force on the ergometer was significantly reduced.

A faster acidification of the blood during exertion was registered in the metabolism. In addition, the participants used questionnaires to assess their subjective sensation, which also showed a considerable impairment of their well-being.

Those masks are especially dangerous for children and elderly people but do also have very negative effects for healthy people and they do not stop the virus.

Again, developing, approving and introducing a new vaccine takes 8 years which is common knowledge. This time it is even going to change the RNA which has never happened before. That is not science that is a criminal act.
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You are quoting an experiment in which subjects are put under considerable strain...you say so yourself. That is an extreme experiment, not real life.

Answer me why doctors whowwho masks in theatre or on wards are ok if it can kill them.


The government does not insist children and toddlers do not wear masks.

Finally.. if you are so insistent it takes 8 years to develop a vaccine, why do you YOURSELF say that the flu vaccines we get eachaeach year areaare a year out of date... Shouldn't they be at least 8 years out of date.

Sorry ButtHuber, this is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel..
 
Butthuber said:
Well Beth, mouth and nose protector - The mask has these consequences for healthy people

There is a new study where experts used two types of face masks for their examination - surgical masks and so-called FFP2 masks, which are mainly used by medical personnel. The measurements were carried out using so-called spiroergometry, in which patients, or in this case the test subjects, put themselves under physical strain on a stationary bicycle, a so-called ergometer, or a treadmill.

The subjects were examined without a mask, with surgical masks and with FFP2 masks. The masks therefore affect breathing, especially the volume and the highest possible speed of air exhaled. The maximum possible force on the ergometer was significantly reduced.

A faster acidification of the blood during exertion was registered in the metabolism. In addition, the participants used questionnaires to assess their subjective sensation, which also showed a considerable impairment of their well-being.

Those masks are especially dangerous for children and elderly people but do also have very negative effects for healthy people and they do not stop the virus.

Again, developing, approving and introducing a new vaccine takes 8 years which is common knowledge. This time it is even going to change the RNA which has never happened before. That is not science that is a criminal act.
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Butt...please...stay off this thread. I am all for sensible debate, but not your quite frankly weird stuff. Out of respect for a fellow R on our forum i will leave it like that, but I am sure I am not the only one who would be more robust in our replies if it was not for the fact that you are a long standing poster and fellow hoop. Just tone it down a little if you can :-)
 
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Butthuber said:
The plan of the virus had been preanounced in 2010 (I had provided the Rockefeller Foundation Document). The pandemic event 201 took place in September 2019 simulating what is happening right now. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation are the main sponsors of the WHO.

Bill Gates funded the Wuhan lab in China that released the Wuhan virus and is already selling test kits. Coincidence? Bill Gates was a member of China's Academy of Sciences who built the lab and he was awarded their highest honor. The Wuhan virus was originally developed by Chinese scientists at the University of North Carolina by NIH grants approved by the Obama administration in 2012. Bill Gates is not only advocating vaccinating everbody on earth he is the also earning himself (through his Foundation) a fortune.

According to LifeSiteNews, a Catholic publication, the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association is charging UNICEF and WHO with sterilizing millions of girls and women under cover of an anti-tetanus vaccination program sponsored by the Kenyan government.
It should be noted that UNICEF and WHO distribute these vaccines for free, and that there are financial incentives for the Kenyan government to participate in these programs. When funds from the UN are not enough to purchase yearly allotments of vaccines, an organization started and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, GAVI, provides extra funding for many of these vaccination programs in poor countries. (See: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Vaccine Empire on Trial in India.)

Also, there was no outbreak of tetanus in Kenya, only the perceived “threat” of tetanus due to local flood conditions.

These local disasters are a common reason UNICEF goes into poorer countries with free vaccines to begin mass vaccination programs.

The Elite:

It makes me laugh having to look at Forbes World’s Billionaires List where you can find very rich people which are definetely not running the world - they are just the frontmen giving the "real" Elite a face. Those are the likes such as Gates, Soros, Buffet etc. The people behind that own the Financial System and will bring it down when the time is right - which is about now. All politicians, media people etc. are in their pockets that is why never ever anything will happen to the benefit of the masses.

Nonetheless names are very, very unimportant but the consequences we are facing right now are vital to understand. This lockdown where we have to wear masks (which are useless) has been organized on top level. They are already propagating a new wave this autumn which will finish of the Economy.

We are running round in circles here. You are stuck with what you know fending off what does not belong into your world - you call it conspiracy, I call it the truth. My intention is to wake up fellow R´s who doubt the official narrative. Nobody stuck (like you) will ever understand - but you will find out this year.
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This year? So we can hold you to that prediction?
 
surreyhoop said:
Butt...please...stay off this thread. I am all for sensible debate, but not your quite frankly weird stuff. Out of respect for a fellow R on our forum i will leave it like that, but I am sure I am not the only one who would be more robust in our replies if it was not for the fact that you are a long standing poster and fellow hoop. Just tone it down a little if you can :)
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Sorry mate but truth can never be silenced. It is nothing personal between myself and any other posters (at least not from my side).
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
This year? So we can hold you to that prediction?
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There will be a rise in civil unrest and anarchy particularly post-September 2020. Nevertheless, these times have been orchestrated by a sinister group. The entire reason for the lockdown was because of the forecast that 3 million would die from COVID-19, which meant that there would not be enough bed spaces in hospitals. This is the chart put out to justify the lockdown. Well, the hospitals were empty and the excuse for the lockdown was nonsense, particularly when applied nationwide. But ever since, these lockdowns no longer talk about a shortage of bed space to justify them. Now, it is just a prerogative of state governors and it has been abused for political purposes.

https://d33wjekvz3zs1a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Flatening-the-Curve.jpg

This virus has been drastically manipulated for political purposes and nobody involved will ever admit that they were wrong. The lockdowns will result in protests and civil unrest. We have the opportunity to make a difference. We cannot change the shift of the financial capital from the United States to China. Nevertheless, that does not mean we will starve to death and be reduced to eat bugs despite the fact that such a trend is promoted by the United Nations and this sinister consortium.

Yes @YorkshireHoopster, you can hold on to that prediction.
 
ButtHuber you have hijacked this thread. I have helped you do this by arguing with you. So I am leaving this thread to you and your conspiracy theories.

I sincerely hope that you and yours are not and are never the affected by this imaginary virus....

But please be measured in what you say...there are people on this thread who have lost loved ones to Covid19.
There are people who have been on the front line during the pandemic, working in the NHS and seeing people ill and desperately scared in front of them.
There are people who have had physical and mental health problems exacerbated during the pandemic that you deny.

So please be considerate
 
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qprbeth said:
ButtHuber you have hijacked this thread. I have helped you do this by arguing with you. So I am leaving this thread to you and your conspiracy theories.

I sincerely hope that you and yours are not and are never the affected by this imaginary virus....

But please be measured in what you say...there are people on this thread who have lost loved ones to Covid19.
There are people who have been on the front line during the pandemic, working in the NHS and seeing people ill and desperately scared in front of them.
There are people who have had physical and mental health problems exacerbated during the pandemic that you deny.

So please be considerate
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Beth sorry to hear that you are leaving this thread but that is your decision. There are plenty other topics here and you will certainly the right one for you.

I guess there are a lot more people that do have physical and mental health problems because of the measures that have been taken and that should raise more concern. The consequences for the lockdown will have a devastating effect for all of us. But since I do not mean to offend people about Covid-19 and the reaction here was mainly negative I will stop commenting. It´s a pity that it seems so hard to exchange different information in a straight forward way.
 
Butthuber said:
There will be a rise in civil unrest and anarchy particularly post-September 2020. Nevertheless, these times have been orchestrated by a sinister group. The entire reason for the lockdown was because of the forecast that 3 million would die from COVID-19, which meant that there would not be enough bed spaces in hospitals. This is the chart put out to justify the lockdown. Well, the hospitals were empty and the excuse for the lockdown was nonsense, particularly when applied nationwide. But ever since, these lockdowns no longer talk about a shortage of bed space to justify them. Now, it is just a prerogative of state governors and it has been abused for political purposes.

https://d33wjekvz3zs1a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Flatening-the-Curve.jpg

This virus has been drastically manipulated for political purposes and nobody involved will ever admit that they were wrong. The lockdowns will result in protests and civil unrest. We have the opportunity to make a difference. We cannot change the shift of the financial capital from the United States to China. Nevertheless, that does not mean we will starve to death and be reduced to eat bugs despite the fact that such a trend is promoted by the United Nations and this sinister consortium.

Yes @YorkshireHoopster, you can hold on to that prediction.
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Great. We'll remember that.

Can you tell us who you believe this sinister group is. We don't want to be directed to your sources, we're all capable of doing our own research. I am asking you who you believe them to b. Then tell us why - what is the purpose behind it all. Again your belief only please.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
Great. We'll remember that.

Can you tell us who you believe this sinister group is. We don't want to be directed to your sources, we're all capable of doing our own research. I am asking you who you believe them to b. Then tell us why - what is the purpose behind it all. Again your belief only please.
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I would be interested to know who you are refering to by "...we...". First of all you will have to open up a new topic (you may call it conspiracy theory) as I will not write under the Corona Thread.
 
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