Off Topic Coronavirus

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qprbeth said:
This is absolutely nothing to do with the government. This is pure clinical research.
As people got ill, the doctors tried different drugs that they thought would possibly do things...like antivirals and anti inflammatories (like dexamathasone) and the antimalarials (some of which work in autoimmune diseases)...and watched to see if they worked. Some seemed to work so they put these drugs into a trial...the RECOVERY trial in this country, which I told you all about 3-4 weeks ago, and compared scientifically and statistically.
Those are the results that are being released today.

This is clinical research, nothing to do with the government, they did not instigate this at all. This is just good doctors doing it the right way....which means the results mean something and are useful in the future.
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He just claimed it as a government initiative. It was a clinical trial set up by the clinical trials arm of the NIHR, with the Welcome, the MRC and the Gates Foundation.. I am shouting again.



...he never ever mentioned the welcome trust and the Gates foundation...
 
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qprbeth said:
He just claimed it as a government initiative. It was a clinical trial set up by the clinical trials arm of the NIHR, with the Welcome, the MRC and the Gates Foundation.. I am shouting again.



...he never ever mentioned the welcome trust and the Gates foundation...
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Do you still watch that **** Beth? The country is practically back to normal. Nobody believes, is interested or gives a flying **** what the government say anymore. Infact most do the exact opposite of what they suggest and rightly so.
 
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qprbeth said:
This is absolutely nothing to do with the government. This is pure clinical research.
As people got ill, the doctors tried different drugs that they thought would possibly do things...like antivirals and anti inflammatories (like dexamathasone) and the antimalarials (some of which work in autoimmune diseases)...and watched to see if they worked. Some seemed to work so they put these drugs into a trial...the RECOVERY trial in this country, which I told you all about 3-4 weeks ago, and compared scientifically and statistically.
Those are the results that are being released today.

This is clinical research, nothing to do with the government, they did not instigate this at all. This is just good doctors doing it the right way....which means the results mean something and are useful in the future.
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I'm very loathe to defend this Govt, which I think broadly has handled the pandemic very poorly, but I think it's a tad harsh to state that this has "absolutely nothing to do with the government."

The RECOVERY trial was supported by the Government funded NIHR [yes, with other partners], conducted across Government funded hospitals, with input from thousands of Government funded health care professionals. The medicines being tested were paid for by Government. NHS Blood and Transplant, funded by Government, has worked extremely hard to set up plasmapheresis collection facilities for the first time in decades to input convalescent plasma to the RECOVERY trial.

Sure, they're downplaying input from Wellcome et al, but "nothing" is OTT.

Unless, of course, when something goes wrong in the NHS we're all willing to absolve the Government of blame? Can't have it both ways sadly.

PS - Nitpicking aside, fantastic news and amazing to contrast this trial to what they've been able to conduct in the US.
 
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Quite Possibly Raving said:
I'm very loathe to defend this Govt, which I think broadly has handled the pandemic very poorly, but I think it's a tad harsh to state that this has "absolutely nothing to do with the government."

The RECOVERY trial was supported by the Government funded NIHR [yes, with other partners], conducted across Government funded hospitals, with input from thousands of Government funded health care professionals. The medicines being tested were paid for by Government. NHS Blood and Transplant, funded by Government, has worked extremely hard to set up plasmapheresis collection facilities for the first time in decades to input convalescent plasma to the RECOVERY trial.

Sure, they're downplaying input from Wellcome et al, but "nothing" is OTT.

Unless, of course, when something goes wrong in the NHS we're all willing to absolve the Government of blame? Can't have it both ways sadly.

PS - Nitpicking aside, fantastic news and amazing to contrast this trial to what they've been able to conduct in the US.
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You are of course correct. The UK arm was run under the auspices of the NIHR, in NHS hospitals, using NHS facilities and drugs....which is government funded.

I was just so tired of the triumphalism of the announcement. The planning, the ideas, the process was all run by NHS and NIHR staff doing what they are trained to do..

But you are right..

New cases still over 1200 is still worrying
 
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qprbeth said:
You are of course correct. The UK arm was run under the auspices of the NIHR, in NHS hospitals, using NHS facilities and drugs....which is government funded.

I was just so tired of the triumphalism of the announcement. The planning, the ideas, the process was all run by NHS and NIHR staff doing what they are trained to do..

But you are right..

New cases still over 1200 is still worrying
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I knew where you were coming from. Just trying to save you from stooping to their level! <cheers>
 
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Staines R's said:
I’ve just had the anti-body test being offered to all front line Ambulance staff.
Just curious if I’ve had it or not......will post results when they come back.
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Would love to hear ...how long it takes...and whether you have had it

Have you had a test for the virus at all?
 
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That’s just ****ing embarrassing. But hold on, when we have the world beating app, we will be, um, world beating.

The app is no longer a priority, we won’t have a working version until ‘winter’. Of course, we won’t have it at all, it will be forgotten about. I reckon they worked out that most of us don’t trust the government or its technology and would never download it.

But it is ok, because we can’t compare ourselves to anyone else, because of differences in the way things are counted. Except all cause excess deaths over the five year rolling average of course, that’s a level playing field, doesn’t matter what is on the death certificate, it’s just counting corpses.

Excess deaths over five year average 2020:
UK - 64%
Germany - 4%
Belgium - they’ve had a mare haven’t they, we’ll be better than them - 37%
Sweden - they didn’t even lock down, the twats - 24%

Why aren’t people more angry? Apathy, ignorance, I’m alright Jack selfishness? I haven’t listened to or watched an entire newscast for about a month, it’s too painful to be continually lied to. Turns out the only successful bit of the strategy was to ‘protect the NHS’. Unfortunately this just enabled ****ers behind a lectern to crow that the NHS hadn’t collapsed, there were empty intensive care beds. It probably led to more COVID and ‘all cause’ deaths than a strategy focussed on saving lives would have. We’ll be counting these excess deaths for years, all those who didn’t get their cancer or heart disease diagnosed or treated. Of course this is before the mental illness and poverty driven by the economic collapse is factored in.

Might as well lift all of the formal restrictions now, people who want to socially distance and wash their hands can still do it, the others can rescue the economy by shopping and drinking, which it is now apparent is the bedrock of what this country is really ‘world beating’ at. And if you can join a scrum to get into Primark or Nike, you can ****ing go to work with the same level of distancing and send your kids to school. If there is a second wave it is inevitable that it will be worse here and handled more ineptly than anywhere else, so we might as well just brace ourselves and think of England. Lube up, suckers.
 
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sb_73 said:
That’s just ****ing embarrassing. But hold on, when we have the world beating app, we will be, um, world beating.

The app is no longer a priority, we won’t have a working version until ‘winter’. Of course, we won’t have it at all, it will be forgotten about. I reckon they worked out that most of us don’t trust the government or its technology and would never download it.

But it is ok, because we can’t compare ourselves to anyone else, because of differences in the way things are counted. Except all cause excess deaths over the five year rolling average of course, that’s a level playing field, doesn’t matter what is on the death certificate, it’s just counting corpses.

Excess deaths over five year average 2020:
UK - 64%
Germany - 4%
Belgium - they’ve had a mare haven’t they, we’ll be better than them - 37%
Sweden - they didn’t even lock down, the twats - 24%

Why aren’t people more angry? Apathy, ignorance, I’m alright Jack selfishness? I haven’t listened to or watched an entire newscast for about a month, it’s too painful to be continually lied to. Turns out the only successful bit of the strategy was to ‘protect the NHS’. Unfortunately this just enabled ****ers behind a lectern to crow that the NHS hadn’t collapsed, there were empty intensive care beds. It probably led to more COVID and ‘all cause’ deaths than a strategy focussed on saving lives would have. We’ll be counting these excess deaths for years, all those who didn’t get their cancer or heart disease diagnosed or treated. Of course this is before the mental illness and poverty driven by the economic collapse is factored in.

Might as well lift all of the formal restrictions now, people who want to socially distance and wash their hands can still do it, the others can rescue the economy by shopping and drinking, which it is now apparent is the bedrock of what this country is really ‘world beating’ at. And if you can join a scrum to get into Primark or Nike, you can ****ing go to work with the same level of distancing. If there is a second wave it is inevitable that it will be worse here and handled more ineptly than anywhere else, so we might as well just brace ourselves and think of England. Lube up, suckers.
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sb_73 said:
That’s just ****ing embarrassing. But hold on, when we have the world beating app, we will be, um, world beating.

The app is no longer a priority, we won’t have a working version until ‘winter’. Of course, we won’t have it at all, it will be forgotten about. I reckon they worked out that most of us don’t trust the government or its technology and would never download it.

But it is ok, because we can’t compare ourselves to anyone else, because of differences in the way things are counted. Except all cause excess deaths over the five year rolling average of course, that’s a level playing field, doesn’t matter what is on the death certificate, it’s just counting corpses.

Excess deaths over five year average 2020:
UK - 64%
Germany - 4%
Belgium - they’ve had a mare haven’t they, we’ll be better than them - 37%
Sweden - they didn’t even lock down, the twats - 24%

Why aren’t people more angry? Apathy, ignorance, I’m alright Jack selfishness? I haven’t listened to or watched an entire newscast for about a month, it’s too painful to be continually lied to. Turns out the only successful bit of the strategy was to ‘protect the NHS’. Unfortunately this just enabled ****ers behind a lectern to crow that the NHS hadn’t collapsed, there were empty intensive care beds. It probably led to more COVID and ‘all cause’ deaths than a strategy focussed on saving lives would have. We’ll be counting these excess deaths for years, all those who didn’t get their cancer or heart disease diagnosed or treated. Of course this is before the mental illness and poverty driven by the economic collapse is factored in.

Might as well lift all of the formal restrictions now, people who want to socially distance and wash their hands can still do it, the others can rescue the economy by shopping and drinking, which it is now apparent is the bedrock of what this country is really ‘world beating’ at. And if you can join a scrum to get into Primark or Nike, you can ****ing go to work with the same level of distancing. If there is a second wave it is inevitable that it will be worse here and handled more ineptly than anywhere else, so we might as well just brace ourselves and think of England. Lube up, suckers.
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Sad but so on the mark.

We have given up on the app
The quarantine rules are now admitted to be shambolic...you give an address, they might check by ringing you on your mobile.
The trace and track. We trace on average 3 contacts per positive. In NZ they found over 100 ciontacts now all in quarantine of the two British women who reinfected the country
 
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qprbeth said:
Sad but so on the mark.

We have given up on the app
The quarantine rules are now admitted to be shambolic...you give an address, they might check by ringing you on your mobile.
The trace and track. We trace on average 3 contacts per positive. In NZ they found over 100 ciontacts now all in quarantine of the two British women who reinfected the country
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Beth, I’m very pleased that we have an evidence based reason to treat patients in severe condition in ICU with steroids......but wouldn’t this treatment be part of the standard of care for someone going through a cytokine storm anyway? It certainly would for severe sepsis/septic shock. Did the Recovery trial test something new/different in terms of timing or dose?
 
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