Off Topic Coronavirus
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Was there a question about the 75% fall in urgent referrals for cancer diagnoses, and if yes who answered it and what did they say?
Wouldnt have really mattered if there was a question on that to be honest
What came across a bit chilling was something that Whitty said about the four causes of death from this. The last cause was people who miss appointments or didn't go to a hospital because they were scared to catch Coronavirus other deaths caused by lockdown and future problems.
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If you remember a while back I was saying that patients were not dying of respiratory dysfunction but of multiple organ failure.
So the ventilators are keeping the lungs working (which is good), but infact the virus is attacking other organs and the patients own immune system is attacking the virus/the other organs in response, such as kidneys, liver, heart. The ventilator is just giving some (I am getting reports of around 50% in this country, other counties about 60-70%) people an opportunity to overcome this secondary attack.
So... the sad patients who get into this seconadary phase at about 10 days are fighting a different sort of problem. That is why people are saying things are not working...but take the ventilators away and these patients will perish a lot quicker. The ventilators give the patient some chance of fighting it on their own. There are reports of patients on ventilators being given anti-malarials which I think are acting as anti-virals at the same time ...and the two together are working and those patients are winning the secondary battle.
What came across a bit chilling was something that Whitty said about the four causes of death from this. The last cause was people who miss appointments or didn't go to a hospital because they were scared to catch Coronavirus other deaths caused by lockdown and future problems.
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Some hospital departments are twiddling their thumbs with people staying at home with possibly life threatening illnesses.
I've swung back the other way now, in that I believe this lockdown is going to cause far more deaths and misery than the virus.
Cancer patients aren't getting their treatment and people with possible cancer aren't getting referred because they're not visiting their GP for fear of catching the plague!!
People are dying of heart attacks because they're not calling 999 or haven't visited their GP or A&E at the first sign of trouble.
Anyone among our team of experts on here know how many of the recorded deaths are people dying OF corvid 19 and how many dying WITH corvid 19 present?
Or are all those deaths put together?
Around our way I'm getting the impression that people are coming to the same conclusion as me. The traffic has been steadily increasing all week and it seems to me that people have decided that they're getting back to work, either because they really have to or they see no sign of this great plague around our way.
Interesting comments again Beth. Can we be 100% certain that this disease is not man-made? I understand about 'signatures', but keep hearing all this weird stuff and that doctors are puzzled how it's acting. Thoughts?
Same here mate I am seeing more and more people each morning get in their cars and return in the evening.
Would be interesting to know if any of them have read and studied it. Unbloodybelievable
100% correct Col. On too many occasions we have been called to people with possible life threatening conditions that really need to be seen in hospital for further checks....and on too many occasions the patient has declined conveyance to hospital, due to the fact that they could get COVID. If they have capacity to make that decision, and understand the risks of staying at home then sadly I can’t kidnap them.
They know it’s the wrong decision, I know it’s the wrong decision but sadly there is nothing I can do.
This is something that’s concerned me for a while.....and I guess we will never know the real figures.
For example i found out today that if a GP SUSPECTS that someone has died of COVID because of symptoms shown, they can put that on the death certificate without any confirmation or swabbing whatsoever......it just doesn’t make sense and makes the figures absolutely meaningless
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I’ve heard from a good source he’s low key extremely capable and just comes across that way because he’s a bit shy on tv.
An old work colleague of mine was in ICU and it seems the anti-malaria drugs made the difference for her so there are differing treatments which would suggest this is a far more complex virus than first thought...
I agree with the general consensus. Hopefully we can get back to normalcy by the middle of June.