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Gove blatantly lying about testing on national tv! Do they have no shame? Why do they feel the necessity to lie constantly? It's really not looking good for them.
 
bobmid said:
Then the slimy little **** says he can guarantee pupils and teachers will be safe, followed by the only truly way to stay safe is by being at home. Hmmm Gove nothing like contradicting yourself in the space of 2 minutes, you horrible little twat
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But don't judge Bob. There's a time for that? Not sure when but ffs don't tell it as it is now. Just waiting for the serious deflection to start. Let's play "Name that more important story/ pressing issue that needs to be resolved. I'll give you the first few. "The Brexit trade deal." "What are we going to about China?" And that good old stand by. "The Russians have reached the Channel and are ready to bomb us into oblivion and then invade" Not sure why they'd want to after they have destroyed everything but let's not worry about the detail. If everyone contributes, I'm sure we can work out the spin doctors strategies for them
 
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bobmid said:
It was well talked about so it must have been as we were certainly aware of it.
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I'm diabetic, type 1 and was told I should stay locked up, sorry locked down for 14 days. I was expecting a letter saying stay in for 6 weeks, but got nothing.
 
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Gove blatantly lying about testing on national tv! Do they have no shame? Why do they feel the necessity to lie constantly? It's really not looking good for them.
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It’s just occurred to me Bob that they lie because they have a history of getting away with lying, and it’s much easier than telling the truth. Even when they are caught out in a blatant lie they know it will be forgotten about in a couple of hours, or minions will be wheeled out to make excuses or set up diversionary attacks, the media is supine and their allies smirk and think they are clever and the vast majority of us just shrug, totally disenfranchised and tired of the whole ****ing farce.

Not only do they get away with lying they are ****ing rewarded for it. Johnson is an habitual liar, almost pathological, he lies when there is no need or benefit in lying, he has been sacked twice for it and we made him prime minister.

My lad is getting £2.5k for his self employed COVID payment, which he reckons is about par for the course for builders of his age and experience. He is going to buy some more joinery tools with some of it, bless him. The site he is on is now fully operational again, the backlog on deliveries of materials has eased a bit, but I don’t think they are at the plastering stage yet. Get your application in?

That BMJ article describes the level of ‘expert’ competence we are relying on terrifyingly clearly.
 
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It’s just occurred to me Bob that they lie because they have a history of getting away with lying, and it’s much easier than telling the truth. Even when they are caught out in a blatant lie they know it will be forgotten about in a couple of hours, or minions will be wheeled out to make excuses or set up diversionary attacks, the media is supine and their allies smirk and think they are clever and the vast majority of us just shrug, totally disenfranchised and tired of the whole ****ing farce.

Not only do they get away with lying they are ****ing rewarded for it. Johnson is an habitual liar, almost pathological, he lies when there is no need or benefit in lying, he has been sacked twice for it and we made him prime minister.

My lad is getting £2.5k for his self employed COVID payment, which he reckons is about par for the course for builders of his age and experience. He is going to buy some more joinery tools with some of it, bless him. The site he is on is now fully operational again, the backlog on deliveries of materials has eased a bit, but air don’t think they are at the plastering stage yet. Get your application in?
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Yes my application went in on friday morning. I get the maximum, which I am grateful for and a scheme I fully praise the government for (actually not fully as it took a while). Plaster hopefully, according to BG will be back on the shelves by the end of this month so full steam ahead, depending on the safety guidelines. There seems to be a way too relaxed attitude to the distancing for my liking, which has come from the top. Time will tell but I see that the public in general are losing faith in the governments actions.
 
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As I said in earlier posts my family had more than a minor brush with this virus.
We went through the scenario of my parents having to go back and forth to the hospital several times in the course of around ten days. My Dad (aged 91) had slipped down the stairs and fractured a few ribs. They didnt want him in the hospital but then the visiting carers couldnt get him out of bed as he was in too much pain. So for more than a week it felt like paramedics were there every day, wanting to help but not really wanting to take them in to the hospital.
Eventually they decided to have him in hospital and also let my Mum stay with him. This was meant to be until he recovered from his fractured ribs.
At some point after they were admitted they were both tested and hound to have the virus. Of course we have no way of knowing when they contracted the virus or who from. Honestly, from day one of my Dad having the diagnosis the hospital were telling us that he wouldnt make it but that my Mum had a 50/50 chance. He was soon in a very bad way and the last week of his life was spent slipping in and out of consciousness with his medication and treatment being based around end of life care. He was in a room with my Mum which was a relief and they had beds side by side so could hold hands.
He eventually passed away and our worry was that my Mum would soon follow but in actual fact she rallied really well. Dad had dementia so maybe for her it was actually some kind of relief. Soon after this she was tested again, so they said, and found to be all clear. she was doing well but the hospital was now in a position where they wanted beds, the rush was about to begin.
There was no way on Earth she could return to her home so between myself, my daughter and social services we looked to trying to get her into a care home. Can you imagine the call to a care home that goes "Hi my Mum has recently recovered from Covid-19 and would like to come and live in your coronavirus free environment". During this time I was told quite categorically that the hospital was charging social services for my Mum being in hospital. I was told a figure that I cannot really believe and although I knew the system had been used before to avoid bed blocking I really thought it was a thing of the past.
The care home of our choice eventually agreed to take my Mum although I think, or rather I know, some serious pressure was put upon the home to do so. The home had all its carers living in at the time to reduce the chance of the virus getting into the home. I cannot praise these people enough, they are every bit as dedicated as the NHS staff. They isolated my Mum for seven days in a room of her own and had to "gown up" every time they went into her room. It must have been a huge worry for them and I cannot thank them enough for their dedication.

I thought I would share this story so that you can all understand the pressures that are there between organisations and also wanted to paint a positive picture at least of this care home as I know a lot of them are given a hard time.

My Mum is doing well and has actually put on 5lbs since being in the care home. We are having to sell the family home to pay for it but that sacrifice is minimal when you think of what so many people are going through in this awful time.
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I am so sorry to hear of your lose stick. This is a dreadful story and scenario to go through. My thoughts are with you and all your family<rose>
 
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NigsyHoops said:
I'm diabetic, type 1 and was told I should stay locked up, sorry locked down for 14 days. I was expecting a letter saying stay in for 6 weeks, but got nothing.
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6? Good luck with that. It's supposed to be 12. I have 4 more to go. The fact I got the letter dashes any inclinations I may have had towards the 'Cull those who are likely to cost too much and for what purpose would we try to keep' em alive" theories but it is certainly a hit and miss application of 'the science' to the facts. If you 'stay alert' however ie use your own common sense that is probably a better guide to you as to what you should be doing. People I know who should have had it haven't and vice versa.
 
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stick said:
As I said in earlier posts my family had more than a minor brush with this virus.
We went through the scenario of my parents having to go back and forth to the hospital several times in the course of around ten days. My Dad (aged 91) had slipped down the stairs and fractured a few ribs. They didnt want him in the hospital but then the visiting carers couldnt get him out of bed as he was in too much pain. So for more than a week it felt like paramedics were there every day, wanting to help but not really wanting to take them in to the hospital.
Eventually they decided to have him in hospital and also let my Mum stay with him. This was meant to be until he recovered from his fractured ribs.
At some point after they were admitted they were both tested and hound to have the virus. Of course we have no way of knowing when they contracted the virus or who from. Honestly, from day one of my Dad having the diagnosis the hospital were telling us that he wouldnt make it but that my Mum had a 50/50 chance. He was soon in a very bad way and the last week of his life was spent slipping in and out of consciousness with his medication and treatment being based around end of life care. He was in a room with my Mum which was a relief and they had beds side by side so could hold hands.
He eventually passed away and our worry was that my Mum would soon follow but in actual fact she rallied really well. Dad had dementia so maybe for her it was actually some kind of relief. Soon after this she was tested again, so they said, and found to be all clear. she was doing well but the hospital was now in a position where they wanted beds, the rush was about to begin.
There was no way on Earth she could return to her home so between myself, my daughter and social services we looked to trying to get her into a care home. Can you imagine the call to a care home that goes "Hi my Mum has recently recovered from Covid-19 and would like to come and live in your coronavirus free environment". During this time I was told quite categorically that the hospital was charging social services for my Mum being in hospital. I was told a figure that I cannot really believe and although I knew the system had been used before to avoid bed blocking I really thought it was a thing of the past.
The care home of our choice eventually agreed to take my Mum although I think, or rather I know, some serious pressure was put upon the home to do so. The home had all its carers living in at the time to reduce the chance of the virus getting into the home. I cannot praise these people enough, they are every bit as dedicated as the NHS staff. They isolated my Mum for seven days in a room of her own and had to "gown up" every time they went into her room. It must have been a huge worry for them and I cannot thank them enough for their dedication.

I thought I would share this story so that you can all understand the pressures that are there between organisations and also wanted to paint a positive picture at least of this care home as I know a lot of them are given a hard time.

My Mum is doing well and has actually put on 5lbs since being in the care home. We are having to sell the family home to pay for it but that sacrifice is minimal when you think of what so many people are going through in this awful time.
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Please accept my condolences Stick. The comfort I suppose is that at least they were together till the end. Sadly your story will not be unique or even unusual. My father in law went through a similar experience but, thankfully seems to have come out the other side. Little comfort I know but stay strong mate.
 
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Unbelievable. This twat Powis going on about how brilliant it is that there has always been space on wards and in ICU in the NHS, ‘success for us is capacity’. Now why is that? Could it be that discharging 15-30,000 patients early played a role? Leaving 12,000 to die of COVID (acknowledged) in care homes? Cancelling all routine work including in many places cancer care?

How dense do they think we are?
 
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sb_73 said:
Unbelievable. This twat Powis going on about how brilliant it is that there has always been space on wards and in ICU in the NHS, ‘success for us is capacity’. Now why is that? Could it be that discharging 15-30,000 patients early played a role? Leaving 12,000 to die of COVID (acknowledged) in care homes? Cancelling all routine work including in many places cancer care?

How dense do they think we are?
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Given the number of people who lap it up and think we’ve handled the situation well it’s not a surprise.
 
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Unbelievable. This twat Powis going on about how brilliant it is that there has always been space on wards and in ICU in the NHS, ‘success for us is capacity’. Now why is that? Could it be that discharging 15-30,000 patients early played a role? Leaving 12,000 to die of COVID (acknowledged) in care homes? Cancelling all routine work including in many places cancer care?

How dense do they think we are?
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Many do lap it up and consider it a success so obviously there are plenty who fall into the 'dense' category.
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
As keeps being said by some let's concentrate on the situation over here whenever there is any criticism of America. Let's not deflect from what's going on here. It is in the power of our elected politicians to do something about this. I'm sure the Con-artist party with Boris at the helm will find an obvious way of rallying the world to punish China for its failures. Or then again probably not. They may not be no1 in the list but I'm sure they will be portrayed as 'our friends in...............' In the meantime we can all judge the evidence we have seen and be presented with about the errors made in the handling of this pandemic in this country by our politicians.
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Oh look bashing Boris again, change the ****ing record ffs
 
sb_73 said:
It’s just occurred to me Bob that they lie because they have a history of getting away with lying, and it’s much easier than telling the truth. Even when they are caught out in a blatant lie they know it will be forgotten about in a couple of hours, or minions will be wheeled out to make excuses or set up diversionary attacks, the media is supine and their allies smirk and think they are clever and the vast majority of us just shrug, totally disenfranchised and tired of the whole ****ing farce.

Not only do they get away with lying they are ****ing rewarded for it. Johnson is an habitual liar, almost pathological, he lies when there is no need or benefit in lying, he has been sacked twice for it and we made him prime minister.

My lad is getting £2.5k for his self employed COVID payment, which he reckons is about par for the course for builders of his age and experience. He is going to buy some more joinery tools with some of it, bless him. The site he is on is now fully operational again, the backlog on deliveries of materials has eased a bit, but I don’t think they are at the plastering stage yet. Get your application in?

That BMJ article describes the level of ‘expert’ competence we are relying on terrifyingly clearly.
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Ffs dry up
 
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