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CroydonCaptainJack said:
The game changer will be antibody or antigen tests. a saliva test that gives you results within 15 minutes would be a godsend for the aviation and hospitality industries for starters. The vaccine may never arrive so we will need other ways to move on with this disease.
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Totally agree. This in my opinion is the way to get the economy back on track and enable people to go back to work more safely. One of my brothers is a deputy head master at a school with 1700 pupils. He said it is physically impossible to guarantee safety, even following the guidelines. If social distancing was the only weapon, he reckons, at the most, 200 could possibly work but would have to be very well policed.
 
bobmid said:
Totally agree. This in my opinion is the way to get the economy back on track and enable people to go back to work more safely. One of my brothers is a deputy head master at a school with 1700 pupils. He said it is physically impossible to guarantee safety, even following the guidelines. If social distancing was the only weapon, he reckons, at the most, 200 could possibly work but would have to be very well policed.
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According to Sage the 'R' number has just increased. I wonder if that's anything to do with BJ's Sunday announcement saying go back to work, dont go back, use public transport if safe, dont use it...........you imbeciles! I meant on Wednesday!
 
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bobmid said:
According to Sage the 'R' number has just increased. I wonder if that's anything to do with BJ's Sunday announcement saying go back to work, dont go back, use public transport if safe, dont use it...........you imbeciles! I meant on Wednesday!
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The R number has increased!
Well I’m shocked, how did that happen.
Those scientists are scallywags aren’t they.
 
Stroller said:
Too much doom and gloom. If some want to lock themselves away waiting for a vaccine, that's their choice, but I want to get on with my life as normally as possible as soon as possible. Why shouldn't we just accept that this virus is now part of our lives, take whatever precautions we feel are appropriate to us as individuals and family groups, and carry on with life?

I still feel that the estimate of 5% of the population having already had the virus is too low, given the high levels of those that will have been asymptomatic. As an optimist, I prefer to believe the piece I posted earlier which suggested that there were now as few as 24 new cases daily in London, down from 200,000 a day at the peak.
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qprbeth said:
I too think it must be too low too Stroller, but is that the optimist in me, who wants to believe a good percentage of people have seen the virus already. If they haven't how did the virus shoot through the population as it did. How did our "alledged" patient zero infect so many people by just coming back from a ski-ing holiday

I am also still very shocked at Stans figures yesterday of a test of all staff at Addenbrooks , and 999s figures from the Marsden. Showing less than 1%of staff had it...and all were assymptomatic.

These low figures are just not what I would expect when we are still getting 300 deaths a day
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OK let’s start making decisions based on how optimistic we feel and which set of figures suit us better, can’t be worse than the science leading the way judging by results so far.

Hancock is on the telly lying about the governments support to care homes, saying its been supporting them since February. Supporting them by discharging elderly patients who were known to be COVID19 positive from hospital back to care homes.

The useless person is on again talking about the R value, which she has wrapped in so many caveats that it is clear that they have no idea what it actually is.

There will be a reckoning.
 
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Green light given for us to begin Phase 1 of our re-opening on Monday...…..Straight forward message though is Stay at Home unless you absolutely have to travel.....Hardware shops, Construction, Garden Centres can begin to start up again subject to Social Distancing guidelines...…...Homeware shops are not opening even though Ikea were gearing up for it......

Small steps to begin with...….R number steady at between 0.4 and 0.6...….
 
sb_73 said:
OK let’s start making decisions based on how optimistic we feel and which set of figures suit us better, can’t be worse than the science leading the way judging by results so far.

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Well it's not just optimism that causes me to disbelieve the figure of 5% having been infected (or wasn't it just 1% according to data from the app that you subscribe to?), it's my gut instinct - or perhaps my 'good old British common sense'. The Cambridge modelling (in conjunction with Public Heath England) suggests that, at the peak, 213,000 people a day were contracting the virus in London. For the sake of argument, if we suppose that the two weeks leading up to that peak and the two weeks leading down from it averaged 100,000 per day, that would suggest 3 million infections in London in one month - 30% of the population.

These numbers ring true to me, and, given that they suggest that London could be Covid free by the end of the month, I think we should start making plans for the pub meet-up in June.
 
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Just a small point...….a large number of care homes are privately operated businesses and are run for profit, they are not under the NHS umbrella except for health guidelines...….the owner is responsible for obtaining the relevant PPE and it was down to the NHS hospital that patients were sent back to care homes with the undetected Virus, they should never have been sent back until their test results were known...…..

We've had exactly the same scenario, patients from care homes with no COVID cases admitted to hospital for other medical procedures returned to care home after being tested but before results known, subsequently found to be carrying virus and spreading virus in care home...….

Some of these things that are happening are not the Governments fault but those of the hospital administrators...….

Just saying......
 
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Stroller said:
Well it's not just optimism that causes me to disbelieve the figure of 5% having been infected (or wasn't it just 1% according to data from the app that you subscribe to?), it's my gut instinct - or perhaps my 'good old British common sense'. The Cambridge modelling (in conjunction with Public Heath England) suggests that, at the peak, 213,000 people a day were contracting the virus in London. For the sake of argument, if we suppose that the two weeks leading up to that peak and the two weeks leading down from it averaged 100,000 per day, that would suggest 3 million infections in London in one month - 30% of the population.

These numbers ring true to me, and, given that they suggest that London could be Covid free by the end of the month, I think we should start making plans for the pub meet-up in June.
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Well, we’ll see when we do large scale antibody testing. Like they have in Spain, where the highest level was 14% north of Madrid, or New York City, where it reached 21%. The 5% was an average figure for all of Spain. The 1% from the King’s COVID app is for certain locations for today. The app data reckons about 240k currently infected which is a lot more than Public Health England. They are all guesses.

I am listening to Jenny Harries Deputy Chief Medical Officer talking now. What a ****ing shambles.
 
sb_73 said:
OK let’s start making decisions based on how optimistic we feel and which set of figures suit us better, can’t be worse than the science leading the way judging by results so far.

Hancock is on the telly lying about the governments support to care homes, saying its been supporting them since February. Supporting them by discharging elderly patients who were known to be COVID19 positive from hospital back to care homes.

The useless person is on again talking about the R value, which she has wrapped in so many caveats that it is clear that they have no idea what it actually is.

There will be a reckoning.
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They were still getting released back to their own homes and care homes with positive test results only last week. I know that for a fact. The fact that we just guess what the 'R' value is amazes me considering the plans to send schools back. Nobody knows the value until the whole of a certain area is tested. This at the moment is just based around hospital and care homes. What next? Boris telling us it's in the water supply <doh>
 
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